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Spiritual Choices
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r***@rwilliams.us
2009-05-11 21:30:15 UTC
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Ken Wilber pretty much agrees with the Marshy
when it comes to meditation - Wilber is known
for practiceing meditation techniques on a daily
basis.

Wilber co-wrote a review of spiritual teachers,
and seems to approve of the practice of TM.
From what I've read, Wilber's parents started
TM practice some years ago.

Read more:

'Spiritual Choices'
The Problems of Recognizing Authentic Paths to
Inner Transformation
by Dick Anthony, Bruce Ecker, and Ken Wilber
Paragon House, 1986

According to Wilber, the states of consciousness
include: waking, dreaming, dreamless sleep, and
nondual. Marshy seems to agree with this.

Apparently Wilber ascribes to the 'two truths
doctrine' of Nagarjuna. For Wilber no
metaphysical doctrine or apparent reality is
true in an absolute sense: only formless
awareness, "the simple feeling of being," exists
absolutely.

"And tell me: is that story, sung by mystics
and sages the world over, any crazier than
the scientific materialism story, which is that
the entire sequence is a tale told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury, signifying absolutely
nothing? Listen very carefully: just which of
those two stories actually sounds totally
insane?"

Work cited:

'A Brief History of Everything'
By Ken Wilber
Shambhala, 2007
Page 42-3

Links of interest:

"Every deeply enlightened teacher I have
known has been a Rude Boy or Nasty Girl."

Ken Wilber:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber

Dennis Genpo Merzel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Genpo_Merzel
r***@rwilliams.us
2009-05-24 14:57:35 UTC
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"The exceptional feature of Wilber's approach is that,
under this methodology, all of these mental structures
— subconscious, rational, mystical—are considered
complementary and legitimate, rather than competing
in a zero-sum conceptual space..."

Ken Wilber:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber
Post by r***@rwilliams.us
Ken Wilber pretty much agrees with the Marshy
when it comes to meditation - Wilber is known
for practiceing meditation techniques on a daily
basis.
Wilber co-wrote a review of spiritual teachers,
and seems to approve of the practice of TM.
From what I've read, Wilber's parents started
TM practice some years ago.
'Spiritual Choices'
The Problems of Recognizing Authentic Paths to
Inner Transformation
by Dick Anthony, Bruce Ecker, and Ken Wilber
Paragon House, 1986
According to Wilber, the states of consciousness
include: waking, dreaming, dreamless sleep, and
nondual. Marshy seems to agree with this.
Apparently Wilber ascribes to the 'two truths
doctrine' of Nagarjuna. For Wilber no
metaphysical doctrine or apparent reality is
true in an absolute sense: only formless
awareness, "the simple feeling of being," exists
absolutely.
"And tell me: is that story, sung by mystics
and sages the world over, any crazier than
the scientific materialism story, which is that
the entire sequence is a tale told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury, signifying absolutely
nothing? Listen very carefully: just which of
those two stories actually sounds totally
insane?"
'A Brief History of Everything'
By Ken Wilber
Shambhala, 2007
Page 42-3
"Every deeply enlightened teacher I have
known has been a Rude Boy or Nasty Girl."
Ken Wilber:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber
Dennis Genpo Merzel:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Genpo_Merzel
dave
2009-07-05 20:39:14 UTC
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Post by r***@rwilliams.us
Ken Wilber pretty much agrees with the Marshy
when it comes to meditation - Wilber is known
for practiceing meditation techniques on a daily
basis.
Wilber co-wrote a review of spiritual teachers,
and seems to approve of the practice of TM.
From what I've read, Wilber's parents started
TM practice some years ago.
'Spiritual Choices'
The Problems of Recognizing Authentic Paths to
Inner Transformation
by Dick Anthony, Bruce Ecker, and Ken Wilber
Paragon House, 1986
According to Wilber, the states of consciousness
include: waking, dreaming, dreamless sleep, and
nondual. Marshy seems to agree with this.
Apparently Wilber ascribes to the 'two truths
doctrine' of Nagarjuna. For Wilber no
metaphysical doctrine or apparent reality is
true in an absolute sense: only formless
awareness, "the simple feeling of being," exists
absolutely.
"And tell me: is that story, sung by mystics
and sages the world over, any crazier than
the scientific materialism story, which is that
the entire sequence is a tale told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury, signifying absolutely
nothing? Listen very carefully: just which of
those two stories actually sounds totally
insane?"
'A Brief History of Everything'
By Ken Wilber
Shambhala, 2007
Page 42-3
"Every deeply enlightened teacher I have
known has been a Rude Boy or Nasty Girl."
Ken Wilber:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber
Dennis Genpo Merzel:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Genpo_Merzel
Ken Wilber is the latest in the people who are putting "mystical
consciousness" in a perspective that allows the Western mind set to
better understand the alternative to the scientific materialism story.
Wilber is better than most at doing this since he includes (as he puts
it, includes and transcends) the scientific materialism story as just
another leg up on the spiritual ascending consciousness (its been
awhile since I read Wilber so I can't really do him justice in this
spontaneous answer, For instance, he might say its on the way down to
holism instead of up to "realization"). Anyway, to my disappointment,
I asked an my old Professor of Buddhism if anybody at the university
was into Wilber and he said, "their was this guy in English
Literature, but he didn't know his name." Enough said, one of the most
significant cutting edge philosophers of higher consciousness isn't
even recognized at the fourth largest university in Michigan. Go
figure. But that is the way its always been; you have to "be there"
in order to "be there."
willytex
2009-07-24 14:36:39 UTC
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...one of the most significant cutting edge philosophers of
higher consciousness isn't even recognized at the fourth
largest university in Michigan. Go figure.
Yes, it is quite amazing, Dave, I can't figure it out either.

Author: Willytex
Subject: Antinomies, dialectics and the four-cornered negation.
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2005
http://tinyurl.com/2q3mwa

Sankara and his followers, like Nagarjuna and his followers, say
that none of the four forms is applicable to the phenomenal world
or any of its objects absolutely, because the phenomenal world
is a world of relativity.

Author: Willytex
Subject: Nagarjuna's Law of the Excluded Middle
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2005
http://tinyurl.com/2p3sod
Keynes
2009-07-24 18:38:11 UTC
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Post by willytex
...one of the most significant cutting edge philosophers of
higher consciousness isn't even recognized at the fourth
largest university in Michigan. Go figure.
Yes, it is quite amazing, Dave, I can't figure it out either.
Author: Willytex
Subject: Antinomies, dialectics and the four-cornered negation.
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Tues, Jan 18 2005
http://tinyurl.com/2q3mwa
Sankara and his followers, like Nagarjuna and his followers, say
that none of the four forms is applicable to the phenomenal world
or any of its objects absolutely, because the phenomenal world
is a world of relativity.
Only if you try to make sense of it.
Post by willytex
Author: Willytex
Subject: Nagarjuna's Law of the Excluded Middle
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Tues, Feb 8 2005
http://tinyurl.com/2p3sod
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