Shrim or Shirim?

[d***@gmail.com]

Very interesting reading regarding the issues with mantras, pronunciation, forgetfulness, and origin of the word sounds. I love TM, and have been practicing since 1976. Worth every penny and criticism. Peace, brothers and sisters.

[h***@gmail.com]

I'm new to this group - I read with interest the various postings on
Shring and Shrim !
Untill recently,I thought my TM mantra was unique to me,untill I met
someone with the same mantra,but I am confused !
The mantra I was issued sounds like 'Shehrem' or 'Shuhrem' of 2
syllables:- pronounced SHEH-REM or SHUH-REM (It's a pity this is not
in wav file format then you would hear my pronounciation!).Does anyone
else appart from my acquaintance share this mantra?
Regards,
Phyllis

moshin ali love shirim fatama

[d***@verizon.net]

I'm new to this group - I read with interest the various postings on
Shring and Shrim !
Untill recently,I thought my TM mantra was unique to me,untill I met
someone with the same mantra,but I am confused !
The mantra I was issued sounds like 'Shehrem' or 'Shuhrem' of 2
syllables:- pronounced SHEH-REM or SHUH-REM (It's a pity this is not
in wav file format then you would hear my pronounciation!).Does anyone
else appart from my acquaintance share this mantra?
Regards,
Phyllis

I just saw someone last week and they told me to mediate using the word "shirim." I pronounce it like sha-rim. I don't know if this is helpful to you. The person who told me to do this seemed like she was making the word up as she spoke to me. Very strange if you ask me. Don't know if I'll be going back -- I don't like being played!!

[n***@sbcglobal.net]

Post by d***@verizon.net

I'm new to this group - I read with interest the various postings on
Shring and Shrim !
Untill recently,I thought my TM mantra was unique to me,untill I met
someone with the same mantra,but I am confused !
The mantra I was issued sounds like 'Shehrem' or 'Shuhrem' of 2
syllables:- pronounced SHEH-REM or SHUH-REM (It's a pity this is not
in wav file format then you would hear my pronounciation!).Does anyone
else appart from my acquaintance share this mantra?
Regards,
Phyllis

I just saw someone last week and they told me to mediate using the word "shirim." I pronounce it like sha-rim. I don't know if this is helpful to you. The person who told me to do this seemed like she was making the word up as she spoke to me. Very strange if you ask me. Don't know if I'll be going back -- I don't like being played!!

Pronunciation doesn't have to be exact. It will morph a bit anyway as you meditate.

[m***@gmail.com]

I'm sorry you had money taken from you by a dishonest organization which promotes itself as "scientific" even though it is rooted in Hindu mysticism.

That said, I think meditation, in general can be a very positive practice. You just don't need a spiritual pyramid scheme to get the tools for your practice.

You could use any mantra that doesn't have representative sounds in it, for example, "Ah-Om".

Good luck.

Post by d***@verizon.net

I'm new to this group - I read with interest the various postings on
Shring and Shrim !
Untill recently,I thought my TM mantra was unique to me,untill I met
someone with the same mantra,but I am confused !
The mantra I was issued sounds like 'Shehrem' or 'Shuhrem' of 2
syllables:- pronounced SHEH-REM or SHUH-REM (It's a pity this is not
in wav file format then you would hear my pronounciation!).Does anyone
else appart from my acquaintance share this mantra?
Regards,
Phyllis

I just saw someone last week and they told me to mediate using the word "shirim." I pronounce it like sha-rim. I don't know if this is helpful to you. The person who told me to do this seemed like she was making the word up as she spoke to me. Very strange if you ask me. Don't know if I'll be going back -- I don't like being played!!

[Из Алматы]

Many years ago this organisatiion was the leading promoter or sales org for
meditation in the world. Today another player is on the market, they call it
"Mindfullnes" you only need to meditate, there are no king here, no raja,
you dont need to demolish you house and build a meditation building and many
more grotesq claims from this org.

skrev i meddelelsen news:da3497e5-fa12-4728-8386-***@googlegroups.com...

I'm sorry you had money taken from you by a dishonest organization which
promotes itself as "scientific" even though it is rooted in Hindu mysticism.

That said, I think meditation, in general can be a very positive practice.
You just don't need a spiritual pyramid scheme to get the tools for your
practice.

You could use any mantra that doesn't have representative sounds in it, for
example, "Ah-Om".

Good luck.

Post by d***@verizon.net

I'm new to this group - I read with interest the various postings on
Shring and Shrim !
Untill recently,I thought my TM mantra was unique to me,untill I met
someone with the same mantra,but I am confused !
The mantra I was issued sounds like 'Shehrem' or 'Shuhrem' of 2
syllables:- pronounced SHEH-REM or SHUH-REM (It's a pity this is not
in wav file format then you would hear my pronounciation!).Does anyone
else appart from my acquaintance share this mantra?
Regards,
Phyllis

I just saw someone last week and they told me to mediate using the word
"shirim." I pronounce it like sha-rim. I don't know if this is helpful
to you. The person who told me to do this seemed like she was making the
word up as she spoke to me. Very strange if you ask me. Don't know if
I'll be going back -- I don't like being played!!

[Willytex]

Everyone meditates. there's probably nobody on the planet who
doesn't meditate by now. Meditation simply means to "think
things over".

Almost everyone pauses at least once or twice a day to take
stock of their own mental contents, even if they don't use a
mantra or a specific technique.

Meditation is based on thinking, and anyone who thinks,
meditates, by definition.

Post by Из Алматы
Many years ago this organisatiion was the leading promoter or sales org for
meditation in the world. Today another player is on the market, they call it
"Mindfullnes" you only need to meditate, there are no king here, no raja,
you dont need to demolish you house and build a meditation building and many
more grotesq claims from this org.
skrev i meddelelsen
I'm sorry you had money taken from you by a dishonest organization which
promotes itself as "scientific" even though it is rooted in Hindu mysticism.
That said, I think meditation, in general can be a very positive practice.
You just don't need a spiritual pyramid scheme to get the tools for your
practice.
You could use any mantra that doesn't have representative sounds in it, for
example, "Ah-Om".
Good luck.

Post by d***@verizon.net

I'm new to this group - I read with interest the various postings on
Shring and Shrim !
Untill recently,I thought my TM mantra was unique to me,untill I met
someone with the same mantra,but I am confused !
The mantra I was issued sounds like 'Shehrem' or 'Shuhrem' of 2
syllables:- pronounced SHEH-REM or SHUH-REM (It's a pity this is not
in wav file format then you would hear my pronounciation!).Does anyone
else appart from my acquaintance share this mantra?
Regards,
Phyllis

I just saw someone last week and they told me to mediate using the word
"shirim." I pronounce it like sha-rim. I don't know if this is helpful
to you. The person who told me to do this seemed like she was making the
word up as she spoke to me. Very strange if you ask me. Don't know if
I'll be going back -- I don't like being played!!

[r***@gmail.com]

Have you never thought about the fact that TM mantras (only 9) are made up words that don't mean anything and aren't supposed to. So then why would saying it out loud weaken them?

[Willytex]

Meditation that is transcendental is based on thinking.

The key technique in meditation is to think, but in a
subtle way. Silent meditation is simply more effective
because it is not on the gross material level of speech.

It has been described as "the experiencing of a thought,
just like any other thought, in finer and finer states,
until the finest and most subtle state of thought is
experienced".

This passing back and forth between the gross and subtle
states of thinking leads to a state where thought
naturally drops off altogether.

When this happens the meditator is said to be experiencing
a state of restful alertness, a condition where the mind
enjoys just Being: no thought, no mental activity, just
resting in a state of pure mental equipoise.

Post by r***@gmail.com
Have you never thought about the fact that TM mantras
(only 9) are made up words that don't mean anything and
aren't supposed to. So then why would saying it out loud
weaken them?

[k***@gmail.com]

All of you have very true and valid points. The point is to transcend and part of transcendence is enlightenment of the highest order. Knowledge is part of enlightenment. Meditation is to calm the soul and mind and body. I did a lot of research to know my personal mantra, ensuring I started out in the true way meant for me. It included knowing the proper vibration (pronunciation) of my mantra. Bashing each other is unnecessary and counter productive to the tm teachings we've invested so much of ourselves to achieve.

[WillyTex]

The point is to transcend...

So let's review what we know about the bija mantras:

There are several uses of bija mantras: for purification, acquisition, propitiation, or in some cases for protection. But, the most noble use is for spontaneous transcending meditation.

Vedic "mantras" are Sanskrit words found in the Vedas. However, "bija" mantras are just seed sounds. They are not "meaningless" sounds; everything in the cosmos has meaning. But, bija mantras are non-semantic sounds - they are not words found in any standard Sanskrit lexicon.

Bija mantras, by definition, are esoteric sound vibrations; bijas are not words. The Sanskrit word "man" comes from the root mind, and "tra", a tool. Bija mantras are simply sound tools for thinking.

Sri Vidya consists of 'indestructible seed' syllables rather than words, so the bijas transcend such mundane considerations as semantic meaning.
Accordingly, a bija-only mantra meditation is not merely esoteric but
inherently superior!

Seed-syllables (bijasaras) are the purest form of mantra. They do not make a request or praise a God, it is God's purest expression of Being.

According to Brooks, the Gayatri cannot match Sri Vidya bijas because it is still in common language; it is Veda and mantra, but when transformed into the Sri Vidya bijas "it's greatness increases."

Works cited:

"Auspicious Wisdom"
The texts and traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantrism in South India
by Douglas Renfrew Brooks
SUNY, 1992
p.95

[Don Bench]

A reminder: if you're still practicing TM, it is NOT a good idea to discuss
how to pronounce your mantra. Suggest you get checked if you have questions
about why this might be the case. The checker won't answer your questions
directly, but the entire procedure might give you some insight so that you
can answer this issue for yourself.
"Phyllis Sheehan" wrote in message

I'm new to this group - I read with interest the various postings on
Shring and Shrim !
Untill recently,I thought my TM mantra was unique to me,untill I met
someone with the same mantra,but I am confused !
The mantra I was issued sounds like 'Shehrem' or 'Shuhrem' of 2
syllables:- pronounced SHEH-REM or SHUH-REM (It's a pity this is not
in wav file format then you would hear my pronounciation!).Does anyone
else appart from my acquaintance share this mantra?
Regards,
Phyllis

Well said, Lawson. With the various advanced techniques and my nervous system's ability to subtly change one way of another, from one day to the next, I am never quite sure what is rumbling through me. I was supposed to get one more advanced technique in December of 2020, but that went the way of the Virus. I was kind of curious how that was going to work out, but since its various forms have been with me for 47 years and served me well as my देवता, I'm content with things just the way they are.

[Don Bench]

Pat - I don't think so - getting checked makes a lot of sense to me.
Especially for someone who has invested a sizeable amount of money to learn
the technique. Checking is free for life, so why not take advantage of it?
That is, unless, like yourself, you never even got initiated, and never
paid a fee, hence you would not be able to avail yourself of checking in the
first place.

All the checkers do...

Have you ever been checked? If not, how would you know? Who is your checker?

WillyTex (? Hey, I like the moniker):
I went at least 20 - 30 years without getting checked, and I was trained as a checker back in 76. I only got checked again a couple of years ago. I was surprised by a few things, including how soothing it was and how the result was a "settling" that persisted. I don't know the voodoo of it - if there is any at all, but I added it back into my life. Now, finding someone to check my meditation is another thing.

[Don Bench]

Post by Don Bench

Pat - I don't think so - getting checked makes a lot of sense to me.
Especially for someone who has invested a sizeable amount of money to learn
the technique. Checking is free for life, so why not take advantage of it?
That is, unless, like yourself, you never even got initiated, and never
paid a fee, hence you would not be able to avail yourself of checking in the
first place.

All the checkers do...

Have you ever been checked? If not, how would you know? Who is your checker?

I went at least 20 - 30 years without getting checked, and I was trained as a checker back in 76. I only got checked again a couple of years ago. I was surprised by a few things, including how soothing it was and how the result was a "settling" that persisted. I don't know the voodoo of it - if there is any at all, but I added it back into my life. Now, finding someone to check my meditation is another thing.

TBH: it was SO long ago I don't remember what I signed (presumably the meeting the night before?) or what I didn't sign. I've just innately felt that I should be discrete about it. I think that that only people to whom I have articulated my mantra were advanced technique teachers. I spoke with an advanced technique teacher in November over Zoom, when the December AT sessions were still on. She knew EXACTLY what I was tumbling around in my head and we devised a clever way of discussing it without actually saying it out loud. The entire Movement may not have kept great records over the years but the AT system has kept great records. I was impressed.

[WillyTex]

Post by Don Bench
I was surprised by a few things, including how soothing it
was and how the result was a "settling" that persisted. I don't
know the voodoo of it - if there is any at all, but I added it
back into my life...

Meditation is based on thinking. In fact, everyone meditates; we couldn't go through a day without once or twice pausing to take stock of of our own mental mind-stuff. We are all transcending anyway, even if we don't recognize it as a specific technique. The technique could be defined as the utilization of a non-ideational mnemonic device, experienced just like any other thought.

However, the technique is not what brings enlightenment. Meditation simply provides the ideal opportunity for the transcending.

It would be a mistake to assume that other people are not able to transcend, even without a specific technique. It would be more accurate to say that many people do not systematically transcend.

"You have a right to remain silent." - MMY

[Heather]

I've just come across this post... .even though it is nearly ten years old. I did my TM course in 1986 and until a few years ago I thought my mantra was unique to me. It is Sharim. I coudn't believe it when around 6 people I have met over the past few years have all told me what their mantra was. All the same. I think I was very naive in those days but in my 60's now even though I enjoy meditating, I think TM is a con. It's almost like a multi level marketing business/franchise. The teachers I think are paid highly for how many recruits they have. It goes against everything I believe in. It is easy to learn the skill of meditation.. you shouldn't have to pay a fortune to do so.

I'm new to this group - I read with interest the various postings on
Shring and Shrim !
Untill recently,I thought my TM mantra was unique to me,untill I met
someone with the same mantra,but I am confused !
The mantra I was issued sounds like 'Shehrem' or 'Shuhrem' of 2
syllables:- pronounced SHEH-REM or SHUH-REM (It's a pity this is not
in wav file format then you would hear my pronounciation!).Does anyone
else appart from my acquaintance share this mantra?
Regards,
Phyllis

[WillyTex]

The question is, did you enjoy?

Post by Heather
I've just come across this post... .even though it is nearly ten years old.
I did my TM course in 1986 and until a few years ago I thought my mantra
was unique to me. It is Sharim.

I'm new to this group - I read with interest the various postings on
Shring and Shrim !
Untill recently,I thought my TM mantra was unique to me,untill I met
someone with the same mantra,but I am confused !
The mantra I was issued sounds like 'Shehrem' or 'Shuhrem' of 2
syllables:- pronounced SHEH-REM or SHUH-REM (It's a pity this is not
in wav file format then you would hear my pronounciation!).Does anyone
else appart from my acquaintance share this mantra?
Regards,
Phyllis