Post by John Post by Peter B. Post by ship
Have any of you tried any "biofeedback" devices for meditation?
I am mainly looking for a device to tell me how well I am doing (i.e.
deeply I am meditating).
Budget: ideally no more than GBP 50 to 100 (??).
I am also interest, but only *vaguely* interested, in cueing devices
(e.g. with flashing
lights and pulsing sounds in different ears etc.), because although
they may get you into Alpha brain rhythm quite fast, I suspect
that one might become dependent on them (i.e. unable to meditate
properly without them!). Also they do seem to be extremely 'unnatural'
whereas pavlovian cues such as burning incense sticks much less so.
But if you have strong views about such devices I'd like to hear them
What is the point of this? What do you hope to achieve?
I went to a long talk a couple of years ago by a scientist who had
that people who had done a LOT of meditation ('enlightened masters"
had very differenet brain waves from people who had not done much
(In fact they were also using much more of their brains to meditate
rest of us do.)
His working thesis - as yet unproven - was that a meditator could save
a LOT of
time (not to mention money and/or pain) by getting some sort feedback
they were actually doing with their brains.
i.e. When they were getting closer to certain desired patterns of
a) feel encouraged and
b) could with practice learn to get there much faster than with
c) could learn to meditate much more deeply than before.
Did you notice that none of this helps in daily living?
Post by Peter B.
This is a poor attempt at escaping or dealing with reality.
How much research have you actually done on feedback devices?
Or are you biased against 'progress' and/or the use technology to
improve brain function?
Why would I waste my time with this as there is no benefit to the user or
So what if my brain patterns wire different, smoother? We all are
different, and should be respected as so. Your brain is a sine wave, mine
is flat, whats the difference.
Where is the progress? You want to believe in hocus pocus be my guest. You
want to blow your monies on voo doo hoo doo, fine, but where is any
One obvious benifit would be to have more real hands on knowledge and
experice than you. That would mean that the person trying it would be
smarter than you. That would mean that you make decisions based on nothing
better than your own anal feelings. If you wish to live your life
uneducated, uninlightened, uninformed go for it. The rest of the world can
wave bye bye to you as the train leaves you in the station.- Hide quoted text -
Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about.
Having experience of something does not mean you are more or less
than anyone else who happens not to have had that experience.
The reason I am asking questions here demonstrates my humility in as
I am admitting a complete lack of experience in this sector.
If I was arrogant enough to think that I had all the answers I would
not be asking
As regards to making decisions based on feelings, well yes and no.
What I am looking for is input from other people who HAVE had the
of the sort of technology that I am talking about.
I believe we are born into the age we are born into for a reason.
Some interesting technology now exists that did not exist in previous
That does NOT mean that we MUST try all the new things - far from it -
that some of the things which exist may serve to help us. And we need
to choose carefully which is which. Each of us have our own paths to
take through life.
If I look back through the history of mediation, it is clear that
great benefit has
been obtained my many people but that it took them a LOT of time and
and discipline and basically hard work to get there. I am not afraid
of hard work, but
(this) life is short. And time is short.
If new tools exist that might speed this process up, that do not seem
our health then my personal choice is to try some of these things out
- but to do
so in a responsible, intelligent manner.
I see it as part of the reason as to why I was born now.