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Shankaracharya Vasudevanand Saraswati: on terrorism
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Premanand
2006-08-25 00:17:00 UTC
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Ludhiana Tribune

Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma

Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth, one of the four revered maths in
the country, is of the firm opinion that terrorism has its genesis in
the wrong interpretation of the scriptures of any religion and this
demon can only be contained when religious figures shed their biases
and spread the true message of the ancient sages and prophets.

In an exclusive interview with Ludhiana Tribune, the Shankracharya, who
was attending a function in the vicnity of the town, claimed that
terrorism was a global phenomenon and efforts to eradicate it had
proved futile so far.

"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force. No force in the world is mighty enough to crush any violent
separatist movement which has a casteist base. But it would subside
when our dharam gurus start interpreting and presenting religious
matters in the right manner and spirit," he stressed.

The middle-aged saint claimed that the concept of 'Vasudev Kutubmkam'
propagated by the Peeth inculcated a sense of universal fraternity and
made everybody feel that the whole world is ours. "Once we achieve this
target, terrorism will have no existence at all," he pointed out.

On the issue of reports of certain misdeeds by some highly revered
religious preachers and leaders in the recent years, the swami held
that it was under the purview of the government to implement the norms
formulated by the religious bodies. "We have never supported those
people who had been exploiting the supremacy of their religious
position. At the same time we expect that people should differentiate
between the genuine preachers and those who have been exploiting
religious sentiments of innocent persons," said Swami Vasudevanand.

Responding to a query, the swami admitted that the apparent decline in
the interest of Hindus in the Sanatan Dharma was due to faulty
education system, impact of westernisation and blind faith in
mushrooming sects. 'Moreover, the Sanatan Dharma, with largest number
of followers, have grown to the extent where everybody cannot afford to
follow rituals in everyday life. Otherwise, they believe in their
origin and practice their dharma only,' the swami added.
fritz
2006-08-25 05:32:15 UTC
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Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
"religion is the reason that
the poor aren't murdering
the rich."
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napoleon
Bhairitu
2006-08-26 19:25:01 UTC
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Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
"religion is the reason that
the poor aren't murdering
the rich."
Post by Premanand
napoleon
Good quote and so true. Currently the rich are *murdering* the middle
class in the US.
fritz
2006-08-27 05:11:27 UTC
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Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
"religion is the reason that
the poor aren't murdering
the rich."
Post by Premanand
napoleon
Good quote and so true. Currently the rich are *murdering* the middle
class in the US.
we deserve it. it's totally our fault
that the rich aren't getting rich
enough fast enough. after all,
it is indeed the middle class
that regulates how much the
rich shovel in.
Bhairitu
2006-08-27 16:47:16 UTC
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Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
"religion is the reason that
the poor aren't murdering
the rich."
Post by Premanand
napoleon
Good quote and so true. Currently the rich are *murdering* the middle
class in the US.
we deserve it. it's totally our fault
that the rich aren't getting rich
enough fast enough. after all,
it is indeed the middle class
that regulates how much the
rich shovel in.
We really need to put the rich on a diet. They've shoveled in so much
they are way too fat with money.
fritz
2006-08-27 22:11:49 UTC
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Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
"religion is the reason that
the poor aren't murdering
the rich."
Post by Premanand
napoleon
Good quote and so true. Currently the rich are *murdering* the middle
class in the US.
we deserve it. it's totally our fault
that the rich aren't getting rich
enough fast enough. after all,
it is indeed the middle class
that regulates how much the
rich shovel in.
We really need to put the rich on a diet. They've shoveled in so much
they are way too fat with money.
then they'd say you were supporting
communism. the allowing of the
proliferation of capitalism where
a few get rich and some starve
is the main reason the rest of
the world hates us. we are the
reason that terrorism arises
at all.
Bhairitu
2006-08-27 23:19:23 UTC
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Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
"religion is the reason that
the poor aren't murdering
the rich."
Post by Premanand
napoleon
Good quote and so true. Currently the rich are *murdering* the middle
class in the US.
we deserve it. it's totally our fault
that the rich aren't getting rich
enough fast enough. after all,
it is indeed the middle class
that regulates how much the
rich shovel in.
We really need to put the rich on a diet. They've shoveled in so much
they are way too fat with money.
then they'd say you were supporting
communism. the allowing of the
proliferation of capitalism where
a few get rich and some starve
is the main reason the rest of
the world hates us. we are the
reason that terrorism arises
at all.
And I would say they think greed is a virtue. And restraining capitalism
rather than let it run wild and unchecked is not communism. The whole
thing has gotten out of had as a handful of the rich ruin the world.
Corporations should not have personhood, unlimited lifespan and
unlimited size. Companies begin to spin out of control when they become
larger than 200 people. Smaller companies mean more employment and more
diversity. Use socialism where it is appropriate.
pundit_moderator
2006-08-28 18:06:06 UTC
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Currently the rich are *murdering* the middle
class in the US.
So, why are you rich people *murdering* the middle class in the US?
coldbluice
2006-08-25 18:16:37 UTC
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Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links

"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

"..MONDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA CITIES: LUCKNOW POWERED BY
INDIATIMES
District judge rejects Swami's plea
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
ALLAHABAD: District judge Jagmohan Paliwal dismissed the revision
application of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, and upheld the order of
February 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, Allahabad.
The civil Judge, on February 13 this year had dismissed the two
applications of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, whereby he had prayed
that contempt proceedings pending against him be rejected in the light
of the High Court Order. Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati
has filed a suit, seeking relief that Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati be
restrained by the court from proclaiming himself Jagat Guru
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Badrikashram Himalaya. The Additional
Civil Judge (Second), Allahabad on February 22, 1999 had passed a
temporary injunction, restraining Swami Vasudevanand, not to proclaim
himself as Jagat Guru Shankaracharya of Jyotishpeeth Badrikashram
Himalaya and work accordingly.
source-
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128819658...


"...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm

"...As it hotted up, the government, pressurised,
handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami Vasudevanand,
who is backed by the BJP. In order to
settle a score, Swami Vasudevanand also filed an FIR in the Joshimath
police station charging the supporters of his rival shankaracharya with

theft of ornaments and other valuables belonging to Goddess Purnadevi
temple in Jyotirpeeth..."
source-
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr32005/203114200541.asp

As the article states-, "handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami
Vasudevanand, who is backed by the BJP."

This btw, in no way implies that Vasudevananda is the head of
"Jyotirmath"!
Post by Premanand
one of the four revered maths in
the country,
Since the Bombay Public Trusts Act of 1963 there has always been 5
peeths-
(Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri, Badrinath/Jyosimutt, Kanchi)
and 2 upa-peeths at Karveer & Kashi (Varanasi) see link cited

"....The Karveer Peeth, apart from the five Peeths set up at
Badrinath,
Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri and Kanchi, had been established to propagate
the teachings of Adi Shankaracharya and first came under the Bombay
Public Trusts Act, in 1963..."
-source - http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19991021/ige21063.html
Post by Premanand
is of the firm opinion that terrorism has its genesis in
the wrong interpretation of the scriptures of any religion and this
demon can only be contained when religious figures shed their biases
and spread the true message of the ancient sages and prophets.
Strange & hypocritical words coming from a man (Swami Vasudevanada) who
owes much of his *popular and finanical* support to various *Terrorist
Organizations*, namely the RSS and VHP!
see links cited

"...Vasudevananda is usually present at major VHP and RSS events,
where he is introduced as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya. Santananda and
Vishnudevananda have also had close connections with Mahesh Yogi, who
used to be Brahmananda Saraswati's secretary. In fact, the earliest
doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to
suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh
Brahmachari)..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

"....Gujarat riots had lord Ram's blessings: VHP
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 2012 hours IST
Kolkata, July 3: Rejecting former Prime Minister Atal Behari
Vajpayee's contention that NDA's poll debacle was due to the Gujarat
riots, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad on Saturday gave a clean chit to
Narendra Modi by justifying the violence in the state following the
Godhra carnage saying it "had the blessings of lord Rama"..."
source- http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=33391


"....Shankaracharya demands ban on VHP
NEW DELHI MARCH 1. The Shankaracharya of Goverdhanpuri, Jagadguru
Aadhokshjanand Teerth, today condemned the ongoing mob violence in
Gujarat as ``state terrorism'' and demanded a ban on the VHP and the
arrest of its leaders and activists under the National Security Act..."

source-
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/02/stories/2002030202161200.htm
Post by Premanand
In an exclusive interview with Ludhiana Tribune, the Shankracharya, who
was attending a function in the vicnity of the town, claimed that
terrorism was a global phenomenon and efforts to eradicate it had
proved futile so far.
This Vasudevananda is a known fabricator of the truth, and he hides the
fact that his support comes from known terrorists organizations!
Post by Premanand
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force.
Oh yea right.. sure pal!..what measure of "force" did your buddies with
the VHP use to slaughter the muslims in Gujurat riots of 2002?
Post by Premanand
No force in the world is mighty enough to crush any violent
separatist movement which has a casteist base. But it would subside
when our dharam gurus start interpreting and presenting religious
matters in the right manner and spirit," he stressed.
Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt.
Peter
2006-08-25 21:17:53 UTC
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Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force.
Oh yea right.. sure pal!..what measure of "force" did your buddies with
the VHP use to slaughter the muslims in Gujurat riots of 2002?
Of yeah but forgot to tell how muslim terrorist were burning a whole train
full of hindupilgrims. They werre fried to ashes no wonder people go
berserk. Not that this an exscuse but it is an explanation.
coldbluice
2006-08-28 13:52:11 UTC
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Post by coldbluice
Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force.
Oh yea right.. sure pal!..what measure of "force" did your buddies with
the VHP use to slaughter the muslims in Gujurat riots of 2002?
Of yeah but forgot to tell how muslim terrorist were burning a whole train
full of hindupilgrims.
Sir Peter,
Think you could check your facts before posting?

It wasn't the Muslims that started the fire on the train cars that led
to the riots!

"...They say the evidence suggests the fire was started inside a
carriage, not by a mob outside..."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2087709.stm


It was *In Fact* a "pligrim" cooking rice aboard the train that
started the fires.

"..Deadly train fire which sparked Gujarat riots accidental:
government.."
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/050117/1/3pwovi.html
AFP Photo

"..A high-level inquiry into the Godhra train fire has found that it
was an "accident".
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/17godhra.htm

The VHP *blamed* the Muslims. Then the VHP went "berserk".
Post by Peter
They werre fried to ashes no wonder people go
berserk. Not that this an exscuse but it is an explanation.
For a person that attempts to defend all religions on the basis of
impartiality, you a looking like a brainwashed reactionary.
Lawson English
2006-08-26 03:10:06 UTC
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Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links
"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
So, since you insist on citing court cases. the guy who won the court
case 50+ years ago, by implication, must have been the real
Shankaracharya, as well as the guy who came after? Both of whom
supported MMY, so he must be legitimate as well...
coldbluice
2006-08-28 16:20:30 UTC
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Post by coldbluice
Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links
"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
So, since you insist on citing court cases.
Yes I insist.., however I was citing this recent court case (see
immediately below) that detailed the fact that Vasudevananda was under
lock-out from his "Peeth" at Jyosimutt.

When he used his poitical connections to regain entry to his "Peeth".
However Vasudevananda did not regain his "title".
see link cited
"...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm

Also, a little more background on Swami Vasudevananda...
Far from being a reclusive holy man altruistically advising spiritual
seekers, as SES would like to believe, Vasudevanand has a long history
of very public political involvement with right wing (Hindutva)-
fundamentalist groups such as BJP, RSS and VHP.
He is in fact the most senior religious figure who regularly associates
with them.

These groups advocate dissolving the secular, multicultural modern
India, and returning that country to a religious state governed by and
for the Hindu majority, including reinstitution of Hindu religious law
and the caste system, and suppression of minorities. A key rallying
point for their efforts has been the destruction of the Babri mosque in
Ayodhya in 1992 followed by the relentless, polarising and even violent
attempts of these influential Hindu groups to build a temple to the
Hindu god Rama on this site.
For background on these points, see:
http://www.awaazsaw.org/ibf/ (Section 1 especially)
http://www.southasianmedia.net/Magazine/Journal/critique_hindutva.htm
http://www.abo.fi/comprel/temenos/temeno32/tamminen.htm
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=19557
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dludden/Hindutva1.htm
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/08/20/stories/2002082000611000.htm
Post by Lawson English
the guy who won the court
case 50+ years ago, by implication, must have been the real
Shankaracharya,
No Lawson me thinks you are once again engaging in more delusional
thinking.
As no has filed a civil suits based upon the "legal bona fides of Sri
BrahmananadaJi's will."
see link below
"..Thus, none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been
framed in terms of contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's
will..."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
Post by Lawson English
as well as the guy who came after? Both of whom
supported MMY, so he must be legitimate as well...
The "ligitimate" Shankaracharya of Jyosimutt after the passing of Sri
BrahmanandaJi was appointed by the Kashi Vidvat Parishad (*very same*
KVP that had appointed Sri BrahmanandaJi to Jyosimutt in 1941) was
Swami Krishnabodha Asrama in 1953.
see link cited

"..In 1953 itself, one Swami Krishnabodha Asrama was appointed as the
new Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, contesting Santananda's claim..."
"..When Krishnabodha Asrama passed away in 1973, he nominated Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati to the title. Swarupananda is a direct disciple
of Brahmananda Saraswati,.."
"..However, in 1979, when a conference of the Sankaracharyas of the
four Amnaya mathas was held at Sringeri, Santananda and Vishnudevananda
were not invited. It was Swarupananda Saraswati who represented
Jyotirmath. There is no indication that the rival lineage of Santananda
and his disciples was endorsed at this time by any of the other
Sankaracharyas..."
"..In June 1993, a joint statement was issued by the Sankaracharyas,
in connection with the Babri Masjid demolition, which Swarupananda
Saraswati signed twice, in his dual capacity as the head of both
Dwaraka and Jyotirmath. And as Jayendra Saraswati of the Kanchi matha
has also signed the 1993 statement, I assume that he too accepts
Swarupananda at both Dwaraka and Jyotirmath..."
.."Clearly, the role played by the Kashi Vidvat Parishad and the
Akhila Bharatiya Dharmasangha was not questioned when Krishnabodha
Asrama was appointed to the Jyotirmath title, except perhaps by
Santananda and his followers. As for the other mathas and their heads,
whatever their reservations may have been about Santananda's
qualifications for the Sankaracharya title, their endorsement of
Krishnabodha Asrama's appointment and/or his subsequent appointment of
Swarupananda meant that they tacitly approved of and accepted the
actions of these two organizations.."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

Also Lawson, once again you have twisted the historical facts to fit
your "view".

It is a fact Lil Mishmashi Mahesh Varmit (LMMV) brought a "claim" in
the early-60's after he had enough money (by selling mantras) to hire a
few lawyers to make a "claim to the title", and buy a piece of ground
at Jyosimutt to build a "ashram" for Shantinanda some ten years after
the death of Sri BrahmanandaJi in 1951.

And, that is after the 1959 claim that LMMV had made to the title
himself!
see link cited
"...As an aside, a few relatively unknown, early Indian publications
of the Transcendental Meditation movement claim the Sankaracharya title
for Mahesh Yogi himself, but this is not to be taken seriously..."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

As you - yourself have pointed out that there are indeed 2 "ashrams" at
Jyosimutt..

The *One Authentic/Legitmate* seat that Sri KrishnabodhaJi held from
1951 to 1973, and now Sri SwaroopanandaJi from 1973 tp present.
And, the *Fabricated* seat that Sri ShantinandaJi held from 1962 to
1980.
see links cited

"..Ashrams of Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati and Swami Vasudevanand, the
two warring Shankaracharyas of Badrinath peeth are also situated near
Adiguru's cave..."
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/May282006/finearts1215132006527.asp
coldbluice
2006-08-28 16:21:06 UTC
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Post by coldbluice
Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links
"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
So, since you insist on citing court cases.
Yes I insist.., however I was citing this recent court case (see
immediately below) that detailed the fact that Vasudevananda was under
lock-out from his "Peeth" at Jyosimutt.

When he used his poitical connections to regain entry to his "Peeth".
However Vasudevananda did not regain his "title".
see link cited
"...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm

Also, a little more background on Swami Vasudevananda...
Far from being a reclusive holy man altruistically advising spiritual
seekers, as SES would like to believe, Vasudevanand has a long history
of very public political involvement with right wing (Hindutva)-
fundamentalist groups such as BJP, RSS and VHP.
He is in fact the most senior religious figure who regularly associates
with them.

These groups advocate dissolving the secular, multicultural modern
India, and returning that country to a religious state governed by and
for the Hindu majority, including reinstitution of Hindu religious law
and the caste system, and suppression of minorities. A key rallying
point for their efforts has been the destruction of the Babri mosque in
Ayodhya in 1992 followed by the relentless, polarising and even violent
attempts of these influential Hindu groups to build a temple to the
Hindu god Rama on this site.
For background on these points, see:
http://www.awaazsaw.org/ibf/ (Section 1 especially)
http://www.southasianmedia.net/Magazine/Journal/critique_hindutva.htm
http://www.abo.fi/comprel/temenos/temeno32/tamminen.htm
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=19557
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dludden/Hindutva1.htm
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/08/20/stories/2002082000611000.htm
Post by Lawson English
the guy who won the court
case 50+ years ago, by implication, must have been the real
Shankaracharya,
No Lawson me thinks you are once again engaging in more delusional
thinking.
As no has filed a civil suits based upon the "legal bona fides of Sri
BrahmananadaJi's will."
see link below
"..Thus, none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been
framed in terms of contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's
will..."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
Post by Lawson English
as well as the guy who came after? Both of whom
supported MMY, so he must be legitimate as well...
The "ligitimate" Shankaracharya of Jyosimutt after the passing of Sri
BrahmanandaJi was appointed by the Kashi Vidvat Parishad (*very same*
KVP that had appointed Sri BrahmanandaJi to Jyosimutt in 1941) was
Swami Krishnabodha Asrama in 1953.
see link cited

"..In 1953 itself, one Swami Krishnabodha Asrama was appointed as the
new Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, contesting Santananda's claim..."
"..When Krishnabodha Asrama passed away in 1973, he nominated Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati to the title. Swarupananda is a direct disciple
of Brahmananda Saraswati,.."
"..However, in 1979, when a conference of the Sankaracharyas of the
four Amnaya mathas was held at Sringeri, Santananda and Vishnudevananda
were not invited. It was Swarupananda Saraswati who represented
Jyotirmath. There is no indication that the rival lineage of Santananda
and his disciples was endorsed at this time by any of the other
Sankaracharyas..."
"..In June 1993, a joint statement was issued by the Sankaracharyas,
in connection with the Babri Masjid demolition, which Swarupananda
Saraswati signed twice, in his dual capacity as the head of both
Dwaraka and Jyotirmath. And as Jayendra Saraswati of the Kanchi matha
has also signed the 1993 statement, I assume that he too accepts
Swarupananda at both Dwaraka and Jyotirmath..."
.."Clearly, the role played by the Kashi Vidvat Parishad and the
Akhila Bharatiya Dharmasangha was not questioned when Krishnabodha
Asrama was appointed to the Jyotirmath title, except perhaps by
Santananda and his followers. As for the other mathas and their heads,
whatever their reservations may have been about Santananda's
qualifications for the Sankaracharya title, their endorsement of
Krishnabodha Asrama's appointment and/or his subsequent appointment of
Swarupananda meant that they tacitly approved of and accepted the
actions of these two organizations.."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

Also Lawson, once again you have twisted the historical facts to fit
your "view".

It is a fact Lil Mishmashi Mahesh Varmit (LMMV) brought a "claim" in
the early-60's after he had enough money (by selling mantras) to hire a
few lawyers to make a "claim to the title", and buy a piece of ground
at Jyosimutt to build a "ashram" for Shantinanda some ten years after
the death of Sri BrahmanandaJi in 1951.

And, that is after the 1959 claim that LMMV had made to the title
himself!
see link cited
"...As an aside, a few relatively unknown, early Indian publications
of the Transcendental Meditation movement claim the Sankaracharya title
for Mahesh Yogi himself, but this is not to be taken seriously..."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

As you - yourself have pointed out that there are indeed 2 "ashrams" at
Jyosimutt..

The *One Authentic/Legitmate* seat that Sri KrishnabodhaJi held from
1951 to 1973, and now Sri SwaroopanandaJi from 1973 to present.
And, the *Fabricated* seat that Sri ShantinandaJi held from 1962 to
1980.
see links cited

"..Ashrams of Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati and Swami Vasudevanand, the
two warring Shankaracharyas of Badrinath peeth are also situated near
Adiguru's cave..."
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/May282006/finearts1215132006527.asp
Premanand
2006-08-26 16:00:54 UTC
Permalink
Q."Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt."
A. Swami Vasudevananda is a disciple of Swami Vishnudevanand, who was
himself a disciple of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati,
popularly known as Guru Dev. I would appreciate any further factual
information about any of his disciples. I have recently put together a
brief profile of Guru Dev's successor, Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand
Saraswati, at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Shantanandji.htm
Post by coldbluice
Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links
"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"..MONDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA CITIES: LUCKNOW POWERED BY
INDIATIMES
District judge rejects Swami's plea
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
ALLAHABAD: District judge Jagmohan Paliwal dismissed the revision
application of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, and upheld the order of
February 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, Allahabad.
The civil Judge, on February 13 this year had dismissed the two
applications of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, whereby he had prayed
that contempt proceedings pending against him be rejected in the light
of the High Court Order. Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati
has filed a suit, seeking relief that Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati be
restrained by the court from proclaiming himself Jagat Guru
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Badrikashram Himalaya. The Additional
Civil Judge (Second), Allahabad on February 22, 1999 had passed a
temporary injunction, restraining Swami Vasudevanand, not to proclaim
himself as Jagat Guru Shankaracharya of Jyotishpeeth Badrikashram
Himalaya and work accordingly.
source-
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128819658...
"...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm
"...As it hotted up, the government, pressurised,
handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami Vasudevanand,
who is backed by the BJP. In order to
settle a score, Swami Vasudevanand also filed an FIR in the Joshimath
police station charging the supporters of his rival shankaracharya with
theft of ornaments and other valuables belonging to Goddess Purnadevi
temple in Jyotirpeeth..."
source-
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr32005/203114200541.asp
As the article states-, "handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami
Vasudevanand, who is backed by the BJP."
This btw, in no way implies that Vasudevananda is the head of
"Jyotirmath"!
Post by Premanand
one of the four revered maths in
the country,
Since the Bombay Public Trusts Act of 1963 there has always been 5
peeths-
(Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri, Badrinath/Jyosimutt, Kanchi)
and 2 upa-peeths at Karveer & Kashi (Varanasi) see link cited
"....The Karveer Peeth, apart from the five Peeths set up at
Badrinath,
Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri and Kanchi, had been established to propagate
the teachings of Adi Shankaracharya and first came under the Bombay
Public Trusts Act, in 1963..."
-source - http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19991021/ige21063.html
Post by Premanand
is of the firm opinion that terrorism has its genesis in
the wrong interpretation of the scriptures of any religion and this
demon can only be contained when religious figures shed their biases
and spread the true message of the ancient sages and prophets.
Strange & hypocritical words coming from a man (Swami Vasudevanada) who
owes much of his *popular and finanical* support to various *Terrorist
Organizations*, namely the RSS and VHP!
see links cited
"...Vasudevananda is usually present at major VHP and RSS events,
where he is introduced as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya. Santananda and
Vishnudevananda have also had close connections with Mahesh Yogi, who
used to be Brahmananda Saraswati's secretary. In fact, the earliest
doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to
suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh
Brahmachari)..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"....Gujarat riots had lord Ram's blessings: VHP
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 2012 hours IST
Kolkata, July 3: Rejecting former Prime Minister Atal Behari
Vajpayee's contention that NDA's poll debacle was due to the Gujarat
riots, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad on Saturday gave a clean chit to
Narendra Modi by justifying the violence in the state following the
Godhra carnage saying it "had the blessings of lord Rama"..."
source- http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=33391
"....Shankaracharya demands ban on VHP
NEW DELHI MARCH 1. The Shankaracharya of Goverdhanpuri, Jagadguru
Aadhokshjanand Teerth, today condemned the ongoing mob violence in
Gujarat as ``state terrorism'' and demanded a ban on the VHP and the
arrest of its leaders and activists under the National Security Act..."
source-
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/02/stories/2002030202161200.htm
Post by Premanand
In an exclusive interview with Ludhiana Tribune, the Shankracharya, who
was attending a function in the vicnity of the town, claimed that
terrorism was a global phenomenon and efforts to eradicate it had
proved futile so far.
This Vasudevananda is a known fabricator of the truth, and he hides the
fact that his support comes from known terrorists organizations!
Post by Premanand
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force.
Oh yea right.. sure pal!..what measure of "force" did your buddies with
the VHP use to slaughter the muslims in Gujurat riots of 2002?
Post by Premanand
No force in the world is mighty enough to crush any violent
separatist movement which has a casteist base. But it would subside
when our dharam gurus start interpreting and presenting religious
matters in the right manner and spirit," he stressed.
Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt.
Lawson English
2006-08-26 19:49:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Premanand
Q."Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt."
A. Swami Vasudevananda is a disciple of Swami Vishnudevanand, who was
himself a disciple of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati,
popularly known as Guru Dev. I would appreciate any further factual
information about any of his disciples. I have recently put together a
brief profile of Guru Dev's successor, Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand
Saraswati, at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Shantanandji.htm
Paul, you've already spoken to Anoop Chandola about Swami Shantanand,
right? Anoop met briefly with him many years back and has at least one
relative who was involved in/familiar with the organizations that
originally selected MMY's Gurudev to the post of Shankaracharya.
coldbluice
2006-08-28 15:11:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Premanand
Q."Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt."
A. Swami Vasudevananda is a disciple of Swami Vishnudevanand, who was
himself a disciple of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati,
popularly known as Guru Dev. I would appreciate any further factual
information about any of his disciples.
You might check with 108 Swami HiteshiJi Maharaj.
Of course He does not think to highly of Vasudevananda nor
Vishnudevananda.

Or check with Swami Swaroopananda of Jysoimutt & Dwarkamutt.

As He is quoted as saying (some of which did not make into the
Kropinski interview) that-, "Mahesh Yogi has made a mockery of the
Shankaracharya Tradition and should be brought into court in chains
with lawsuits against him."

And, at the same interview Vishnudevananda was quoted as saying-, "I
(Vishnudevananda) would do everything in his power to stop Mahesh
Yogi."

That goes a long way in explaining why-- Lil Mismashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) spent nearly all of his "whirled peas" funds in creating his own
political party (now defunct) called the Ajay Bharat Party (named after
LMMV's nephew- Ajay Shristava) of Madhya Pradesh (the porvinical
birthplace of Lil Mishmashi Mahesh).

The Ajay Bharat Party (ABP) was started for the purpose of gaining to
influence in provinical politics to allow Lil Mishmashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) to re-gain entrance into India (a country LMMV has been run out
of on many occassions).

It is a fact the Ajay Bharat had even engaged in vote-buying in the
1998 Madhya Pradesh elections, and other "bizarre" behavior in the same
elections.
see links cited

"..Others who are in the fray are Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Ajay Bharat
Party nominee Tara Chand Sahu, Bannulal (Gondwana Gantantra Party),
Gangaram Gaur (Apana Dal) and Banshilal (Janata Party) ..'"
- source - http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/nov/17pat.htm

Monday, September 7, 1998
Pachmarhi Diary
Yogi casts a shadow
"...Of all people, Mahesh Yogi was a bizarre shadow over the
brainstorming
camp here. The Yogi, with more money than he can count, apparently has
an ardent follower in former state education minister and Congress MLA
till a day ago, Mukesh Nayak. Nayak, once an aide of Ajit Jogi, was
seen as a potential star in the MP Congress but fell foul with powers
that be. It was then that Yogi moved in.

Apparently, he told Nayak that his party, Ajeya Bharat, would field
many candidates in the coming Assembly polls and with things in a
balance between the Congress and the BJP, Yogi feels, Ajeya Bharat
could throw a lot of spanners in the wheel.
*So, Nayak was given a fleet of cars and plenty of cash as incentive
to quit the Congress and spearhead Yogi's party.*
No amount of pleas from the Congress high command worked and Nayak
timed his resignation in time for the Pachmarhi camp..."
- source - http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980907/25050904.html


OF FORFEITED DEPOSITS
BHUBANESWAR,
OCT 9 (UNI)
AS MANY AS 60 ASPIRANTS, MANY OF THEM FROM NATIONAL PARTIES, HAVE
FORFEITED THEIR DEPOSITS IN THE RECENTLY CONCLUDED LOK SABHA ELECTIONS
IN ORISSA. THE LOSERS AMONG OTHERS WERE 22 INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES,
SEVEN FROM THE JMM, FOUR BSP, SHIV SENA AND NCP THREE EACH AND TWO EACH
FROM CPI, CPI(M), JD(U) AND CPI(ML). THE JANATA PARTY, THE JHARKHAND
PARTY AND THE BIR ORIYA PARTY HAD ONE EACH. BESIDES THIS BHARATIYA
REPUBLICAN PAKHYA HAD FOUR AND AJAY BHARAT PARTY HAD EIGHT NOMINEES TO
LOSE DEPOSITS.
-source -
http://www.indian-elections.com/archives/india-election-news346.html
Post by Premanand
I have recently put together a
brief profile of Guru Dev's successor, Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand
Saraswati, at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Shantanandji.htm
You might consider putting together a a brief profile of LMMV sordid
political affairs in India, starting with LLMVs conspiring with the
ashram cook in 1951 to posion Sri BrahmanadaJi to death.
Post by Premanand
Post by coldbluice
Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links
"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"..MONDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA CITIES: LUCKNOW POWERED BY
INDIATIMES
District judge rejects Swami's plea
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
ALLAHABAD: District judge Jagmohan Paliwal dismissed the revision
application of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, and upheld the order of
February 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, Allahabad.
The civil Judge, on February 13 this year had dismissed the two
applications of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, whereby he had prayed
that contempt proceedings pending against him be rejected in the light
of the High Court Order. Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati
has filed a suit, seeking relief that Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati be
restrained by the court from proclaiming himself Jagat Guru
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Badrikashram Himalaya. The Additional
Civil Judge (Second), Allahabad on February 22, 1999 had passed a
temporary injunction, restraining Swami Vasudevanand, not to proclaim
himself as Jagat Guru Shankaracharya of Jyotishpeeth Badrikashram
Himalaya and work accordingly.
source-
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128819658...
"...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm
"...As it hotted up, the government, pressurised,
handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami Vasudevanand,
who is backed by the BJP. In order to
settle a score, Swami Vasudevanand also filed an FIR in the Joshimath
police station charging the supporters of his rival shankaracharya with
theft of ornaments and other valuables belonging to Goddess Purnadevi
temple in Jyotirpeeth..."
source-
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr32005/203114200541.asp
As the article states-, "handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami
Vasudevanand, who is backed by the BJP."
This btw, in no way implies that Vasudevananda is the head of
"Jyotirmath"!
Post by Premanand
one of the four revered maths in
the country,
Since the Bombay Public Trusts Act of 1963 there has always been 5
peeths-
(Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri, Badrinath/Jyosimutt, Kanchi)
and 2 upa-peeths at Karveer & Kashi (Varanasi) see link cited
"....The Karveer Peeth, apart from the five Peeths set up at
Badrinath,
Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri and Kanchi, had been established to propagate
the teachings of Adi Shankaracharya and first came under the Bombay
Public Trusts Act, in 1963..."
-source - http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19991021/ige21063.html
Post by Premanand
is of the firm opinion that terrorism has its genesis in
the wrong interpretation of the scriptures of any religion and this
demon can only be contained when religious figures shed their biases
and spread the true message of the ancient sages and prophets.
Strange & hypocritical words coming from a man (Swami Vasudevanada) who
owes much of his *popular and finanical* support to various *Terrorist
Organizations*, namely the RSS and VHP!
see links cited
"...Vasudevananda is usually present at major VHP and RSS events,
where he is introduced as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya. Santananda and
Vishnudevananda have also had close connections with Mahesh Yogi, who
used to be Brahmananda Saraswati's secretary. In fact, the earliest
doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to
suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh
Brahmachari)..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"....Gujarat riots had lord Ram's blessings: VHP
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 2012 hours IST
Kolkata, July 3: Rejecting former Prime Minister Atal Behari
Vajpayee's contention that NDA's poll debacle was due to the Gujarat
riots, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad on Saturday gave a clean chit to
Narendra Modi by justifying the violence in the state following the
Godhra carnage saying it "had the blessings of lord Rama"..."
source- http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=33391
"....Shankaracharya demands ban on VHP
NEW DELHI MARCH 1. The Shankaracharya of Goverdhanpuri, Jagadguru
Aadhokshjanand Teerth, today condemned the ongoing mob violence in
Gujarat as ``state terrorism'' and demanded a ban on the VHP and the
arrest of its leaders and activists under the National Security Act..."
source-
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/02/stories/2002030202161200.htm
Post by Premanand
In an exclusive interview with Ludhiana Tribune, the Shankracharya, who
was attending a function in the vicnity of the town, claimed that
terrorism was a global phenomenon and efforts to eradicate it had
proved futile so far.
This Vasudevananda is a known fabricator of the truth, and he hides the
fact that his support comes from known terrorists organizations!
Post by Premanand
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force.
Oh yea right.. sure pal!..what measure of "force" did your buddies with
the VHP use to slaughter the muslims in Gujurat riots of 2002?
Post by Premanand
No force in the world is mighty enough to crush any violent
separatist movement which has a casteist base. But it would subside
when our dharam gurus start interpreting and presenting religious
matters in the right manner and spirit," he stressed.
Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt.
Premanand
2006-08-28 16:14:45 UTC
Permalink
It is interesting that parts of the Kropinski interview have been left
out. Is is possible to read (or listen) to the entire interview?
Post by coldbluice
Post by Premanand
Q."Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt."
A. Swami Vasudevananda is a disciple of Swami Vishnudevanand, who was
himself a disciple of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati,
popularly known as Guru Dev. I would appreciate any further factual
information about any of his disciples.
You might check with 108 Swami HiteshiJi Maharaj.
Of course He does not think to highly of Vasudevananda nor
Vishnudevananda.
Or check with Swami Swaroopananda of Jysoimutt & Dwarkamutt.
As He is quoted as saying (some of which did not make into the
Kropinski interview) that-, "Mahesh Yogi has made a mockery of the
Shankaracharya Tradition and should be brought into court in chains
with lawsuits against him."
And, at the same interview Vishnudevananda was quoted as saying-, "I
(Vishnudevananda) would do everything in his power to stop Mahesh
Yogi."
That goes a long way in explaining why-- Lil Mismashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) spent nearly all of his "whirled peas" funds in creating his own
political party (now defunct) called the Ajay Bharat Party (named after
LMMV's nephew- Ajay Shristava) of Madhya Pradesh (the porvinical
birthplace of Lil Mishmashi Mahesh).
The Ajay Bharat Party (ABP) was started for the purpose of gaining to
influence in provinical politics to allow Lil Mishmashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) to re-gain entrance into India (a country LMMV has been run out
of on many occassions).
It is a fact the Ajay Bharat had even engaged in vote-buying in the
1998 Madhya Pradesh elections, and other "bizarre" behavior in the same
elections.
see links cited
"..Others who are in the fray are Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Ajay Bharat
Party nominee Tara Chand Sahu, Bannulal (Gondwana Gantantra Party),
Gangaram Gaur (Apana Dal) and Banshilal (Janata Party) ..'"
- source - http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/nov/17pat.htm
Monday, September 7, 1998
Pachmarhi Diary
Yogi casts a shadow
"...Of all people, Mahesh Yogi was a bizarre shadow over the
brainstorming
camp here. The Yogi, with more money than he can count, apparently has
an ardent follower in former state education minister and Congress MLA
till a day ago, Mukesh Nayak. Nayak, once an aide of Ajit Jogi, was
seen as a potential star in the MP Congress but fell foul with powers
that be. It was then that Yogi moved in.
Apparently, he told Nayak that his party, Ajeya Bharat, would field
many candidates in the coming Assembly polls and with things in a
balance between the Congress and the BJP, Yogi feels, Ajeya Bharat
could throw a lot of spanners in the wheel.
*So, Nayak was given a fleet of cars and plenty of cash as incentive
to quit the Congress and spearhead Yogi's party.*
No amount of pleas from the Congress high command worked and Nayak
timed his resignation in time for the Pachmarhi camp..."
- source - http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980907/25050904.html
OF FORFEITED DEPOSITS
BHUBANESWAR,
OCT 9 (UNI)
AS MANY AS 60 ASPIRANTS, MANY OF THEM FROM NATIONAL PARTIES, HAVE
FORFEITED THEIR DEPOSITS IN THE RECENTLY CONCLUDED LOK SABHA ELECTIONS
IN ORISSA. THE LOSERS AMONG OTHERS WERE 22 INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES,
SEVEN FROM THE JMM, FOUR BSP, SHIV SENA AND NCP THREE EACH AND TWO EACH
FROM CPI, CPI(M), JD(U) AND CPI(ML). THE JANATA PARTY, THE JHARKHAND
PARTY AND THE BIR ORIYA PARTY HAD ONE EACH. BESIDES THIS BHARATIYA
REPUBLICAN PAKHYA HAD FOUR AND AJAY BHARAT PARTY HAD EIGHT NOMINEES TO
LOSE DEPOSITS.
-source -
http://www.indian-elections.com/archives/india-election-news346.html
Post by Premanand
I have recently put together a
brief profile of Guru Dev's successor, Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand
Saraswati, at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Shantanandji.htm
You might consider putting together a a brief profile of LMMV sordid
political affairs in India, starting with LLMVs conspiring with the
ashram cook in 1951 to posion Sri BrahmanadaJi to death.
Post by Premanand
Post by coldbluice
Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links
"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"..MONDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA CITIES: LUCKNOW POWERED BY
INDIATIMES
District judge rejects Swami's plea
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
ALLAHABAD: District judge Jagmohan Paliwal dismissed the revision
application of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, and upheld the order of
February 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, Allahabad.
The civil Judge, on February 13 this year had dismissed the two
applications of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, whereby he had prayed
that contempt proceedings pending against him be rejected in the light
of the High Court Order. Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati
has filed a suit, seeking relief that Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati be
restrained by the court from proclaiming himself Jagat Guru
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Badrikashram Himalaya. The Additional
Civil Judge (Second), Allahabad on February 22, 1999 had passed a
temporary injunction, restraining Swami Vasudevanand, not to proclaim
himself as Jagat Guru Shankaracharya of Jyotishpeeth Badrikashram
Himalaya and work accordingly.
source-
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128819658...
"...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm
"...As it hotted up, the government, pressurised,
handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami Vasudevanand,
who is backed by the BJP. In order to
settle a score, Swami Vasudevanand also filed an FIR in the Joshimath
police station charging the supporters of his rival shankaracharya with
theft of ornaments and other valuables belonging to Goddess Purnadevi
temple in Jyotirpeeth..."
source-
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr32005/203114200541.asp
As the article states-, "handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami
Vasudevanand, who is backed by the BJP."
This btw, in no way implies that Vasudevananda is the head of
"Jyotirmath"!
Post by Premanand
one of the four revered maths in
the country,
Since the Bombay Public Trusts Act of 1963 there has always been 5
peeths-
(Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri, Badrinath/Jyosimutt, Kanchi)
and 2 upa-peeths at Karveer & Kashi (Varanasi) see link cited
"....The Karveer Peeth, apart from the five Peeths set up at
Badrinath,
Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri and Kanchi, had been established to propagate
the teachings of Adi Shankaracharya and first came under the Bombay
Public Trusts Act, in 1963..."
-source - http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19991021/ige21063.html
Post by Premanand
is of the firm opinion that terrorism has its genesis in
the wrong interpretation of the scriptures of any religion and this
demon can only be contained when religious figures shed their biases
and spread the true message of the ancient sages and prophets.
Strange & hypocritical words coming from a man (Swami Vasudevanada) who
owes much of his *popular and finanical* support to various *Terrorist
Organizations*, namely the RSS and VHP!
see links cited
"...Vasudevananda is usually present at major VHP and RSS events,
where he is introduced as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya. Santananda and
Vishnudevananda have also had close connections with Mahesh Yogi, who
used to be Brahmananda Saraswati's secretary. In fact, the earliest
doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to
suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh
Brahmachari)..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"....Gujarat riots had lord Ram's blessings: VHP
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 2012 hours IST
Kolkata, July 3: Rejecting former Prime Minister Atal Behari
Vajpayee's contention that NDA's poll debacle was due to the Gujarat
riots, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad on Saturday gave a clean chit to
Narendra Modi by justifying the violence in the state following the
Godhra carnage saying it "had the blessings of lord Rama"..."
source- http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=33391
"....Shankaracharya demands ban on VHP
NEW DELHI MARCH 1. The Shankaracharya of Goverdhanpuri, Jagadguru
Aadhokshjanand Teerth, today condemned the ongoing mob violence in
Gujarat as ``state terrorism'' and demanded a ban on the VHP and the
arrest of its leaders and activists under the National Security Act..."
source-
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/02/stories/2002030202161200.htm
Post by Premanand
In an exclusive interview with Ludhiana Tribune, the Shankracharya, who
was attending a function in the vicnity of the town, claimed that
terrorism was a global phenomenon and efforts to eradicate it had
proved futile so far.
This Vasudevananda is a known fabricator of the truth, and he hides the
fact that his support comes from known terrorists organizations!
Post by Premanand
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force.
Oh yea right.. sure pal!..what measure of "force" did your buddies with
the VHP use to slaughter the muslims in Gujurat riots of 2002?
Post by Premanand
No force in the world is mighty enough to crush any violent
separatist movement which has a casteist base. But it would subside
when our dharam gurus start interpreting and presenting religious
matters in the right manner and spirit," he stressed.
Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt.
coldbluice
2006-08-28 16:40:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Premanand
It is interesting that parts of the Kropinski interview have been left
out. Is is possible to read (or listen) to the entire interview?
I am sure we will cross paths again next month Sept. 30, 2006 and I
will ask him to provide the audio tape he recorded.

He gave me acopy of the tape in 1987, but I have since mis-placed it.

The audio cassette tape included the statement rgarding-, "Mahesh Yogi
conspiring with the cook to posion Sri BrahamanandaJi." And also the
statement-, "Mahesh Yogi should be brought inot court in chains with
lawsuits against him".
And, portions of an interview with Swami Vishnudevananda wherein he
states-, "i (Vishnudevananda will do everything in power to stop Mahesh
Yogi."
And, many more details.
Post by Premanand
Post by coldbluice
Post by Premanand
Q."Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt."
A. Swami Vasudevananda is a disciple of Swami Vishnudevanand, who was
himself a disciple of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati,
popularly known as Guru Dev. I would appreciate any further factual
information about any of his disciples.
You might check with 108 Swami HiteshiJi Maharaj.
Of course He does not think to highly of Vasudevananda nor
Vishnudevananda.
Or check with Swami Swaroopananda of Jysoimutt & Dwarkamutt.
As He is quoted as saying (some of which did not make into the
Kropinski interview) that-, "Mahesh Yogi has made a mockery of the
Shankaracharya Tradition and should be brought into court in chains
with lawsuits against him."
And, at the same interview Vishnudevananda was quoted as saying-, "I
(Vishnudevananda) would do everything in his power to stop Mahesh
Yogi."
That goes a long way in explaining why-- Lil Mismashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) spent nearly all of his "whirled peas" funds in creating his own
political party (now defunct) called the Ajay Bharat Party (named after
LMMV's nephew- Ajay Shristava) of Madhya Pradesh (the porvinical
birthplace of Lil Mishmashi Mahesh).
The Ajay Bharat Party (ABP) was started for the purpose of gaining to
influence in provinical politics to allow Lil Mishmashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) to re-gain entrance into India (a country LMMV has been run out
of on many occassions).
It is a fact the Ajay Bharat had even engaged in vote-buying in the
1998 Madhya Pradesh elections, and other "bizarre" behavior in the same
elections.
see links cited
"..Others who are in the fray are Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Ajay Bharat
Party nominee Tara Chand Sahu, Bannulal (Gondwana Gantantra Party),
Gangaram Gaur (Apana Dal) and Banshilal (Janata Party) ..'"
- source - http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/nov/17pat.htm
Monday, September 7, 1998
Pachmarhi Diary
Yogi casts a shadow
"...Of all people, Mahesh Yogi was a bizarre shadow over the
brainstorming
camp here. The Yogi, with more money than he can count, apparently has
an ardent follower in former state education minister and Congress MLA
till a day ago, Mukesh Nayak. Nayak, once an aide of Ajit Jogi, was
seen as a potential star in the MP Congress but fell foul with powers
that be. It was then that Yogi moved in.
Apparently, he told Nayak that his party, Ajeya Bharat, would field
many candidates in the coming Assembly polls and with things in a
balance between the Congress and the BJP, Yogi feels, Ajeya Bharat
could throw a lot of spanners in the wheel.
*So, Nayak was given a fleet of cars and plenty of cash as incentive
to quit the Congress and spearhead Yogi's party.*
No amount of pleas from the Congress high command worked and Nayak
timed his resignation in time for the Pachmarhi camp..."
- source - http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980907/25050904.html
OF FORFEITED DEPOSITS
BHUBANESWAR,
OCT 9 (UNI)
AS MANY AS 60 ASPIRANTS, MANY OF THEM FROM NATIONAL PARTIES, HAVE
FORFEITED THEIR DEPOSITS IN THE RECENTLY CONCLUDED LOK SABHA ELECTIONS
IN ORISSA. THE LOSERS AMONG OTHERS WERE 22 INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES,
SEVEN FROM THE JMM, FOUR BSP, SHIV SENA AND NCP THREE EACH AND TWO EACH
FROM CPI, CPI(M), JD(U) AND CPI(ML). THE JANATA PARTY, THE JHARKHAND
PARTY AND THE BIR ORIYA PARTY HAD ONE EACH. BESIDES THIS BHARATIYA
REPUBLICAN PAKHYA HAD FOUR AND AJAY BHARAT PARTY HAD EIGHT NOMINEES TO
LOSE DEPOSITS.
-source -
http://www.indian-elections.com/archives/india-election-news346.html
Post by Premanand
I have recently put together a
brief profile of Guru Dev's successor, Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand
Saraswati, at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Shantanandji.htm
You might consider putting together a a brief profile of LMMV sordid
political affairs in India, starting with LLMVs conspiring with the
ashram cook in 1951 to posion Sri BrahmanadaJi to death.
Post by Premanand
Post by coldbluice
Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links
"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"..MONDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA CITIES: LUCKNOW POWERED BY
INDIATIMES
District judge rejects Swami's plea
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
ALLAHABAD: District judge Jagmohan Paliwal dismissed the revision
application of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, and upheld the order of
February 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, Allahabad.
The civil Judge, on February 13 this year had dismissed the two
applications of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, whereby he had prayed
that contempt proceedings pending against him be rejected in the light
of the High Court Order. Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati
has filed a suit, seeking relief that Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati be
restrained by the court from proclaiming himself Jagat Guru
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Badrikashram Himalaya. The Additional
Civil Judge (Second), Allahabad on February 22, 1999 had passed a
temporary injunction, restraining Swami Vasudevanand, not to proclaim
himself as Jagat Guru Shankaracharya of Jyotishpeeth Badrikashram
Himalaya and work accordingly.
source-
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128819658...
"...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm
"...As it hotted up, the government, pressurised,
handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami Vasudevanand,
who is backed by the BJP. In order to
settle a score, Swami Vasudevanand also filed an FIR in the Joshimath
police station charging the supporters of his rival shankaracharya with
theft of ornaments and other valuables belonging to Goddess Purnadevi
temple in Jyotirpeeth..."
source-
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr32005/203114200541.asp
As the article states-, "handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami
Vasudevanand, who is backed by the BJP."
This btw, in no way implies that Vasudevananda is the head of
"Jyotirmath"!
Post by Premanand
one of the four revered maths in
the country,
Since the Bombay Public Trusts Act of 1963 there has always been 5
peeths-
(Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri, Badrinath/Jyosimutt, Kanchi)
and 2 upa-peeths at Karveer & Kashi (Varanasi) see link cited
"....The Karveer Peeth, apart from the five Peeths set up at
Badrinath,
Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri and Kanchi, had been established to propagate
the teachings of Adi Shankaracharya and first came under the Bombay
Public Trusts Act, in 1963..."
-source - http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19991021/ige21063.html
Post by Premanand
is of the firm opinion that terrorism has its genesis in
the wrong interpretation of the scriptures of any religion and this
demon can only be contained when religious figures shed their biases
and spread the true message of the ancient sages and prophets.
Strange & hypocritical words coming from a man (Swami Vasudevanada) who
owes much of his *popular and finanical* support to various *Terrorist
Organizations*, namely the RSS and VHP!
see links cited
"...Vasudevananda is usually present at major VHP and RSS events,
where he is introduced as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya. Santananda and
Vishnudevananda have also had close connections with Mahesh Yogi, who
used to be Brahmananda Saraswati's secretary. In fact, the earliest
doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to
suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh
Brahmachari)..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"....Gujarat riots had lord Ram's blessings: VHP
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 2012 hours IST
Kolkata, July 3: Rejecting former Prime Minister Atal Behari
Vajpayee's contention that NDA's poll debacle was due to the Gujarat
riots, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad on Saturday gave a clean chit to
Narendra Modi by justifying the violence in the state following the
Godhra carnage saying it "had the blessings of lord Rama"..."
source- http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=33391
"....Shankaracharya demands ban on VHP
NEW DELHI MARCH 1. The Shankaracharya of Goverdhanpuri, Jagadguru
Aadhokshjanand Teerth, today condemned the ongoing mob violence in
Gujarat as ``state terrorism'' and demanded a ban on the VHP and the
arrest of its leaders and activists under the National Security Act..."
source-
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/02/stories/2002030202161200.htm
Post by Premanand
In an exclusive interview with Ludhiana Tribune, the Shankracharya, who
was attending a function in the vicnity of the town, claimed that
terrorism was a global phenomenon and efforts to eradicate it had
proved futile so far.
This Vasudevananda is a known fabricator of the truth, and he hides the
fact that his support comes from known terrorists organizations!
Post by Premanand
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force.
Oh yea right.. sure pal!..what measure of "force" did your buddies with
the VHP use to slaughter the muslims in Gujurat riots of 2002?
Post by Premanand
No force in the world is mighty enough to crush any violent
separatist movement which has a casteist base. But it would subside
when our dharam gurus start interpreting and presenting religious
matters in the right manner and spirit," he stressed.
Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt.
Premanand
2006-08-28 17:03:06 UTC
Permalink
Thanks, it would be great to make a full transcription of this very
important source document.
When you get a hold of further info, maybe you could contact me via the
email on my website?
http://www.paulmason.info/
Incidentally, it is a long time since I came across any reference to
Swami Hiteshiji, what has happened to him?
Post by coldbluice
Post by Premanand
It is interesting that parts of the Kropinski interview have been left
out. Is is possible to read (or listen) to the entire interview?
I am sure we will cross paths again next month Sept. 30, 2006 and I
will ask him to provide the audio tape he recorded.
He gave me acopy of the tape in 1987, but I have since mis-placed it.
The audio cassette tape included the statement rgarding-, "Mahesh Yogi
conspiring with the cook to posion Sri BrahamanandaJi." And also the
statement-, "Mahesh Yogi should be brought inot court in chains with
lawsuits against him".
And, portions of an interview with Swami Vishnudevananda wherein he
states-, "i (Vishnudevananda will do everything in power to stop Mahesh
Yogi."
And, many more details.
Post by Premanand
Post by coldbluice
Post by Premanand
Q."Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt."
A. Swami Vasudevananda is a disciple of Swami Vishnudevanand, who was
himself a disciple of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati,
popularly known as Guru Dev. I would appreciate any further factual
information about any of his disciples.
You might check with 108 Swami HiteshiJi Maharaj.
Of course He does not think to highly of Vasudevananda nor
Vishnudevananda.
Or check with Swami Swaroopananda of Jysoimutt & Dwarkamutt.
As He is quoted as saying (some of which did not make into the
Kropinski interview) that-, "Mahesh Yogi has made a mockery of the
Shankaracharya Tradition and should be brought into court in chains
with lawsuits against him."
And, at the same interview Vishnudevananda was quoted as saying-, "I
(Vishnudevananda) would do everything in his power to stop Mahesh
Yogi."
That goes a long way in explaining why-- Lil Mismashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) spent nearly all of his "whirled peas" funds in creating his own
political party (now defunct) called the Ajay Bharat Party (named after
LMMV's nephew- Ajay Shristava) of Madhya Pradesh (the porvinical
birthplace of Lil Mishmashi Mahesh).
The Ajay Bharat Party (ABP) was started for the purpose of gaining to
influence in provinical politics to allow Lil Mishmashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) to re-gain entrance into India (a country LMMV has been run out
of on many occassions).
It is a fact the Ajay Bharat had even engaged in vote-buying in the
1998 Madhya Pradesh elections, and other "bizarre" behavior in the same
elections.
see links cited
"..Others who are in the fray are Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Ajay Bharat
Party nominee Tara Chand Sahu, Bannulal (Gondwana Gantantra Party),
Gangaram Gaur (Apana Dal) and Banshilal (Janata Party) ..'"
- source - http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/nov/17pat.htm
Monday, September 7, 1998
Pachmarhi Diary
Yogi casts a shadow
"...Of all people, Mahesh Yogi was a bizarre shadow over the
brainstorming
camp here. The Yogi, with more money than he can count, apparently has
an ardent follower in former state education minister and Congress MLA
till a day ago, Mukesh Nayak. Nayak, once an aide of Ajit Jogi, was
seen as a potential star in the MP Congress but fell foul with powers
that be. It was then that Yogi moved in.
Apparently, he told Nayak that his party, Ajeya Bharat, would field
many candidates in the coming Assembly polls and with things in a
balance between the Congress and the BJP, Yogi feels, Ajeya Bharat
could throw a lot of spanners in the wheel.
*So, Nayak was given a fleet of cars and plenty of cash as incentive
to quit the Congress and spearhead Yogi's party.*
No amount of pleas from the Congress high command worked and Nayak
timed his resignation in time for the Pachmarhi camp..."
- source - http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980907/25050904.html
OF FORFEITED DEPOSITS
BHUBANESWAR,
OCT 9 (UNI)
AS MANY AS 60 ASPIRANTS, MANY OF THEM FROM NATIONAL PARTIES, HAVE
FORFEITED THEIR DEPOSITS IN THE RECENTLY CONCLUDED LOK SABHA ELECTIONS
IN ORISSA. THE LOSERS AMONG OTHERS WERE 22 INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES,
SEVEN FROM THE JMM, FOUR BSP, SHIV SENA AND NCP THREE EACH AND TWO EACH
FROM CPI, CPI(M), JD(U) AND CPI(ML). THE JANATA PARTY, THE JHARKHAND
PARTY AND THE BIR ORIYA PARTY HAD ONE EACH. BESIDES THIS BHARATIYA
REPUBLICAN PAKHYA HAD FOUR AND AJAY BHARAT PARTY HAD EIGHT NOMINEES TO
LOSE DEPOSITS.
-source -
http://www.indian-elections.com/archives/india-election-news346.html
Post by Premanand
I have recently put together a
brief profile of Guru Dev's successor, Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand
Saraswati, at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Shantanandji.htm
You might consider putting together a a brief profile of LMMV sordid
political affairs in India, starting with LLMVs conspiring with the
ashram cook in 1951 to posion Sri BrahmanadaJi to death.
Post by Premanand
Post by coldbluice
Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links
"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"..MONDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA CITIES: LUCKNOW POWERED BY
INDIATIMES
District judge rejects Swami's plea
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
ALLAHABAD: District judge Jagmohan Paliwal dismissed the revision
application of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, and upheld the order of
February 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, Allahabad.
The civil Judge, on February 13 this year had dismissed the two
applications of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, whereby he had prayed
that contempt proceedings pending against him be rejected in the light
of the High Court Order. Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati
has filed a suit, seeking relief that Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati be
restrained by the court from proclaiming himself Jagat Guru
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Badrikashram Himalaya. The Additional
Civil Judge (Second), Allahabad on February 22, 1999 had passed a
temporary injunction, restraining Swami Vasudevanand, not to proclaim
himself as Jagat Guru Shankaracharya of Jyotishpeeth Badrikashram
Himalaya and work accordingly.
source-
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128819658...
"...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm
"...As it hotted up, the government, pressurised,
handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami Vasudevanand,
who is backed by the BJP. In order to
settle a score, Swami Vasudevanand also filed an FIR in the Joshimath
police station charging the supporters of his rival shankaracharya with
theft of ornaments and other valuables belonging to Goddess Purnadevi
temple in Jyotirpeeth..."
source-
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr32005/203114200541.asp
As the article states-, "handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami
Vasudevanand, who is backed by the BJP."
This btw, in no way implies that Vasudevananda is the head of
"Jyotirmath"!
Post by Premanand
one of the four revered maths in
the country,
Since the Bombay Public Trusts Act of 1963 there has always been 5
peeths-
(Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri, Badrinath/Jyosimutt, Kanchi)
and 2 upa-peeths at Karveer & Kashi (Varanasi) see link cited
"....The Karveer Peeth, apart from the five Peeths set up at
Badrinath,
Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri and Kanchi, had been established to propagate
the teachings of Adi Shankaracharya and first came under the Bombay
Public Trusts Act, in 1963..."
-source - http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19991021/ige21063.html
Post by Premanand
is of the firm opinion that terrorism has its genesis in
the wrong interpretation of the scriptures of any religion and this
demon can only be contained when religious figures shed their biases
and spread the true message of the ancient sages and prophets.
Strange & hypocritical words coming from a man (Swami Vasudevanada) who
owes much of his *popular and finanical* support to various *Terrorist
Organizations*, namely the RSS and VHP!
see links cited
"...Vasudevananda is usually present at major VHP and RSS events,
where he is introduced as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya. Santananda and
Vishnudevananda have also had close connections with Mahesh Yogi, who
used to be Brahmananda Saraswati's secretary. In fact, the earliest
doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to
suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh
Brahmachari)..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"....Gujarat riots had lord Ram's blessings: VHP
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 2012 hours IST
Kolkata, July 3: Rejecting former Prime Minister Atal Behari
Vajpayee's contention that NDA's poll debacle was due to the Gujarat
riots, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad on Saturday gave a clean chit to
Narendra Modi by justifying the violence in the state following the
Godhra carnage saying it "had the blessings of lord Rama"..."
source- http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=33391
"....Shankaracharya demands ban on VHP
NEW DELHI MARCH 1. The Shankaracharya of Goverdhanpuri, Jagadguru
Aadhokshjanand Teerth, today condemned the ongoing mob violence in
Gujarat as ``state terrorism'' and demanded a ban on the VHP and the
arrest of its leaders and activists under the National Security Act..."
source-
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/02/stories/2002030202161200.htm
Post by Premanand
In an exclusive interview with Ludhiana Tribune, the Shankracharya, who
was attending a function in the vicnity of the town, claimed that
terrorism was a global phenomenon and efforts to eradicate it had
proved futile so far.
This Vasudevananda is a known fabricator of the truth, and he hides the
fact that his support comes from known terrorists organizations!
Post by Premanand
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force.
Oh yea right.. sure pal!..what measure of "force" did your buddies with
the VHP use to slaughter the muslims in Gujurat riots of 2002?
Post by Premanand
No force in the world is mighty enough to crush any violent
separatist movement which has a casteist base. But it would subside
when our dharam gurus start interpreting and presenting religious
matters in the right manner and spirit," he stressed.
Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt.
coldbluice
2006-08-28 18:55:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Premanand
Thanks, it would be great to make a full transcription of this very
important source document.
When you get a hold of further info, maybe you could contact me via the
email on my website?
http://www.paulmason.info/
Ok
Post by Premanand
Incidentally, it is a long time since I came across any reference to
Swami Hiteshiji, what has happened to him?
VISHVA SEVA ASHRAM;
founder His Holiness Shree 108 Swami Vishva Hitesi Ji Maharaj.
104-38 Corona Avenue, Corona, New York 11368
Or telephone 718.271.5423
Post by Premanand
Post by coldbluice
Post by Premanand
It is interesting that parts of the Kropinski interview have been left
out. Is is possible to read (or listen) to the entire interview?
I am sure we will cross paths again next month Sept. 30, 2006 and I
will ask him to provide the audio tape he recorded.
He gave me acopy of the tape in 1987, but I have since mis-placed it.
The audio cassette tape included the statement rgarding-, "Mahesh Yogi
conspiring with the cook to posion Sri BrahamanandaJi." And also the
statement-, "Mahesh Yogi should be brought into court in chains with
lawsuits against him".
And, portions of an interview with Swami Vishnudevananda wherein he
states-, "i (Vishnudevananda will do everything in power to stop Mahesh
Yogi."
And, many more details.
Post by Premanand
Post by coldbluice
Post by Premanand
Q."Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt."
A. Swami Vasudevananda is a disciple of Swami Vishnudevanand, who was
himself a disciple of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati,
popularly known as Guru Dev. I would appreciate any further factual
information about any of his disciples.
You might check with 108 Swami HiteshiJi Maharaj.
Of course He does not think to highly of Vasudevananda nor
Vishnudevananda.
Or check with Swami Swaroopananda of Jysoimutt & Dwarkamutt.
As He is quoted as saying (some of which did not make into the
Kropinski interview) that-, "Mahesh Yogi has made a mockery of the
Shankaracharya Tradition and should be brought into court in chains
with lawsuits against him."
And, at the same interview Vishnudevananda was quoted as saying-, "I
(Vishnudevananda) would do everything in his power to stop Mahesh
Yogi."
That goes a long way in explaining why-- Lil Mismashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) spent nearly all of his "whirled peas" funds in creating his own
political party (now defunct) called the Ajay Bharat Party (named after
LMMV's nephew- Ajay Shristava) of Madhya Pradesh (the porvinical
birthplace of Lil Mishmashi Mahesh).
The Ajay Bharat Party (ABP) was started for the purpose of gaining to
influence in provinical politics to allow Lil Mishmashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) to re-gain entrance into India (a country LMMV has been run out
of on many occassions).
It is a fact the Ajay Bharat had even engaged in vote-buying in the
1998 Madhya Pradesh elections, and other "bizarre" behavior in the same
elections.
see links cited
"..Others who are in the fray are Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Ajay Bharat
Party nominee Tara Chand Sahu, Bannulal (Gondwana Gantantra Party),
Gangaram Gaur (Apana Dal) and Banshilal (Janata Party) ..'"
- source - http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/nov/17pat.htm
Monday, September 7, 1998
Pachmarhi Diary
Yogi casts a shadow
"...Of all people, Mahesh Yogi was a bizarre shadow over the
brainstorming
camp here. The Yogi, with more money than he can count, apparently has
an ardent follower in former state education minister and Congress MLA
till a day ago, Mukesh Nayak. Nayak, once an aide of Ajit Jogi, was
seen as a potential star in the MP Congress but fell foul with powers
that be. It was then that Yogi moved in.
Apparently, he told Nayak that his party, Ajeya Bharat, would field
many candidates in the coming Assembly polls and with things in a
balance between the Congress and the BJP, Yogi feels, Ajeya Bharat
could throw a lot of spanners in the wheel.
*So, Nayak was given a fleet of cars and plenty of cash as incentive
to quit the Congress and spearhead Yogi's party.*
No amount of pleas from the Congress high command worked and Nayak
timed his resignation in time for the Pachmarhi camp..."
- source - http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980907/25050904.html
OF FORFEITED DEPOSITS
BHUBANESWAR,
OCT 9 (UNI)
AS MANY AS 60 ASPIRANTS, MANY OF THEM FROM NATIONAL PARTIES, HAVE
FORFEITED THEIR DEPOSITS IN THE RECENTLY CONCLUDED LOK SABHA ELECTIONS
IN ORISSA. THE LOSERS AMONG OTHERS WERE 22 INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES,
SEVEN FROM THE JMM, FOUR BSP, SHIV SENA AND NCP THREE EACH AND TWO EACH
FROM CPI, CPI(M), JD(U) AND CPI(ML). THE JANATA PARTY, THE JHARKHAND
PARTY AND THE BIR ORIYA PARTY HAD ONE EACH. BESIDES THIS BHARATIYA
REPUBLICAN PAKHYA HAD FOUR AND AJAY BHARAT PARTY HAD EIGHT NOMINEES TO
LOSE DEPOSITS.
-source -
http://www.indian-elections.com/archives/india-election-news346.html
Post by Premanand
I have recently put together a
brief profile of Guru Dev's successor, Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand
Saraswati, at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Shantanandji.htm
You might consider putting together a a brief profile of LMMV sordid
political affairs in India, starting with LLMVs conspiring with the
ashram cook in 1951 to posion Sri BrahmanadaJi to death.
Post by Premanand
Post by coldbluice
Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links
"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"..MONDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA CITIES: LUCKNOW POWERED BY
INDIATIMES
District judge rejects Swami's plea
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
ALLAHABAD: District judge Jagmohan Paliwal dismissed the revision
application of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, and upheld the order of
February 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, Allahabad.
The civil Judge, on February 13 this year had dismissed the two
applications of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, whereby he had prayed
that contempt proceedings pending against him be rejected in the light
of the High Court Order. Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati
has filed a suit, seeking relief that Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati be
restrained by the court from proclaiming himself Jagat Guru
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Badrikashram Himalaya. The Additional
Civil Judge (Second), Allahabad on February 22, 1999 had passed a
temporary injunction, restraining Swami Vasudevanand, not to proclaim
himself as Jagat Guru Shankaracharya of Jyotishpeeth Badrikashram
Himalaya and work accordingly.
source-
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128819658...
"...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm
"...As it hotted up, the government, pressurised,
handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami Vasudevanand,
who is backed by the BJP. In order to
settle a score, Swami Vasudevanand also filed an FIR in the Joshimath
police station charging the supporters of his rival shankaracharya with
theft of ornaments and other valuables belonging to Goddess Purnadevi
temple in Jyotirpeeth..."
source-
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr32005/203114200541.asp
As the article states-, "handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami
Vasudevanand, who is backed by the BJP."
This btw, in no way implies that Vasudevananda is the head of
"Jyotirmath"!
Post by Premanand
one of the four revered maths in
the country,
Since the Bombay Public Trusts Act of 1963 there has always been 5
peeths-
(Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri, Badrinath/Jyosimutt, Kanchi)
and 2 upa-peeths at Karveer & Kashi (Varanasi) see link cited
"....The Karveer Peeth, apart from the five Peeths set up at
Badrinath,
Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri and Kanchi, had been established to propagate
the teachings of Adi Shankaracharya and first came under the Bombay
Public Trusts Act, in 1963..."
-source - http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19991021/ige21063.html
Post by Premanand
is of the firm opinion that terrorism has its genesis in
the wrong interpretation of the scriptures of any religion and this
demon can only be contained when religious figures shed their biases
and spread the true message of the ancient sages and prophets.
Strange & hypocritical words coming from a man (Swami Vasudevanada) who
owes much of his *popular and finanical* support to various *Terrorist
Organizations*, namely the RSS and VHP!
see links cited
"...Vasudevananda is usually present at major VHP and RSS events,
where he is introduced as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya. Santananda and
Vishnudevananda have also had close connections with Mahesh Yogi, who
used to be Brahmananda Saraswati's secretary. In fact, the earliest
doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to
suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh
Brahmachari)..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"....Gujarat riots had lord Ram's blessings: VHP
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 2012 hours IST
Kolkata, July 3: Rejecting former Prime Minister Atal Behari
Vajpayee's contention that NDA's poll debacle was due to the Gujarat
riots, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad on Saturday gave a clean chit to
Narendra Modi by justifying the violence in the state following the
Godhra carnage saying it "had the blessings of lord Rama"..."
source- http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=33391
"....Shankaracharya demands ban on VHP
NEW DELHI MARCH 1. The Shankaracharya of Goverdhanpuri, Jagadguru
Aadhokshjanand Teerth, today condemned the ongoing mob violence in
Gujarat as ``state terrorism'' and demanded a ban on the VHP and the
arrest of its leaders and activists under the National Security Act..."
source-
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/02/stories/2002030202161200.htm
Post by Premanand
In an exclusive interview with Ludhiana Tribune, the Shankracharya, who
was attending a function in the vicnity of the town, claimed that
terrorism was a global phenomenon and efforts to eradicate it had
proved futile so far.
This Vasudevananda is a known fabricator of the truth, and he hides the
fact that his support comes from known terrorists organizations!
Post by Premanand
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force.
Oh yea right.. sure pal!..what measure of "force" did your buddies with
the VHP use to slaughter the muslims in Gujurat riots of 2002?
Post by Premanand
No force in the world is mighty enough to crush any violent
separatist movement which has a casteist base. But it would subside
when our dharam gurus start interpreting and presenting religious
matters in the right manner and spirit," he stressed.
Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt.
Premanand
2006-08-28 16:17:54 UTC
Permalink
Are there any other quotes from Swarupanand or from Vishnudevand?
Post by coldbluice
Post by Premanand
Q."Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt."
A. Swami Vasudevananda is a disciple of Swami Vishnudevanand, who was
himself a disciple of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati,
popularly known as Guru Dev. I would appreciate any further factual
information about any of his disciples.
You might check with 108 Swami HiteshiJi Maharaj.
Of course He does not think to highly of Vasudevananda nor
Vishnudevananda.
Or check with Swami Swaroopananda of Jysoimutt & Dwarkamutt.
As He is quoted as saying (some of which did not make into the
Kropinski interview) that-, "Mahesh Yogi has made a mockery of the
Shankaracharya Tradition and should be brought into court in chains
with lawsuits against him."
And, at the same interview Vishnudevananda was quoted as saying-, "I
(Vishnudevananda) would do everything in his power to stop Mahesh
Yogi."
That goes a long way in explaining why-- Lil Mismashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) spent nearly all of his "whirled peas" funds in creating his own
political party (now defunct) called the Ajay Bharat Party (named after
LMMV's nephew- Ajay Shristava) of Madhya Pradesh (the porvinical
birthplace of Lil Mishmashi Mahesh).
The Ajay Bharat Party (ABP) was started for the purpose of gaining to
influence in provinical politics to allow Lil Mishmashi Mahesh Varmit
(LMMV) to re-gain entrance into India (a country LMMV has been run out
of on many occassions).
It is a fact the Ajay Bharat had even engaged in vote-buying in the
1998 Madhya Pradesh elections, and other "bizarre" behavior in the same
elections.
see links cited
"..Others who are in the fray are Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Ajay Bharat
Party nominee Tara Chand Sahu, Bannulal (Gondwana Gantantra Party),
Gangaram Gaur (Apana Dal) and Banshilal (Janata Party) ..'"
- source - http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/nov/17pat.htm
Monday, September 7, 1998
Pachmarhi Diary
Yogi casts a shadow
"...Of all people, Mahesh Yogi was a bizarre shadow over the
brainstorming
camp here. The Yogi, with more money than he can count, apparently has
an ardent follower in former state education minister and Congress MLA
till a day ago, Mukesh Nayak. Nayak, once an aide of Ajit Jogi, was
seen as a potential star in the MP Congress but fell foul with powers
that be. It was then that Yogi moved in.
Apparently, he told Nayak that his party, Ajeya Bharat, would field
many candidates in the coming Assembly polls and with things in a
balance between the Congress and the BJP, Yogi feels, Ajeya Bharat
could throw a lot of spanners in the wheel.
*So, Nayak was given a fleet of cars and plenty of cash as incentive
to quit the Congress and spearhead Yogi's party.*
No amount of pleas from the Congress high command worked and Nayak
timed his resignation in time for the Pachmarhi camp..."
- source - http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980907/25050904.html
OF FORFEITED DEPOSITS
BHUBANESWAR,
OCT 9 (UNI)
AS MANY AS 60 ASPIRANTS, MANY OF THEM FROM NATIONAL PARTIES, HAVE
FORFEITED THEIR DEPOSITS IN THE RECENTLY CONCLUDED LOK SABHA ELECTIONS
IN ORISSA. THE LOSERS AMONG OTHERS WERE 22 INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES,
SEVEN FROM THE JMM, FOUR BSP, SHIV SENA AND NCP THREE EACH AND TWO EACH
FROM CPI, CPI(M), JD(U) AND CPI(ML). THE JANATA PARTY, THE JHARKHAND
PARTY AND THE BIR ORIYA PARTY HAD ONE EACH. BESIDES THIS BHARATIYA
REPUBLICAN PAKHYA HAD FOUR AND AJAY BHARAT PARTY HAD EIGHT NOMINEES TO
LOSE DEPOSITS.
-source -
http://www.indian-elections.com/archives/india-election-news346.html
Post by Premanand
I have recently put together a
brief profile of Guru Dev's successor, Shankaracharya Swami Shantanand
Saraswati, at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Shantanandji.htm
You might consider putting together a a brief profile of LMMV sordid
political affairs in India, starting with LLMVs conspiring with the
ashram cook in 1951 to posion Sri BrahmanadaJi to death.
Post by Premanand
Post by coldbluice
Let us systematically de-construct this *propaganda* with known
facts..
Post by Premanand
Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth,
Swami Vasudevananda is *not* "jagat guru shankarcharya of "Jyotirmath"!
see links
"..The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"..MONDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA CITIES: LUCKNOW POWERED BY
INDIATIMES
District judge rejects Swami's plea
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
ALLAHABAD: District judge Jagmohan Paliwal dismissed the revision
application of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, and upheld the order of
February 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, Allahabad.
The civil Judge, on February 13 this year had dismissed the two
applications of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, whereby he had prayed
that contempt proceedings pending against him be rejected in the light
of the High Court Order. Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati
has filed a suit, seeking relief that Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati be
restrained by the court from proclaiming himself Jagat Guru
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Badrikashram Himalaya. The Additional
Civil Judge (Second), Allahabad on February 22, 1999 had passed a
temporary injunction, restraining Swami Vasudevanand, not to proclaim
himself as Jagat Guru Shankaracharya of Jyotishpeeth Badrikashram
Himalaya and work accordingly.
source-
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128819658...
"...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm
"...As it hotted up, the government, pressurised,
handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami Vasudevanand,
who is backed by the BJP. In order to
settle a score, Swami Vasudevanand also filed an FIR in the Joshimath
police station charging the supporters of his rival shankaracharya with
theft of ornaments and other valuables belonging to Goddess Purnadevi
temple in Jyotirpeeth..."
source-
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr32005/203114200541.asp
As the article states-, "handed the Jyotirpeeth Mutt back to Swami
Vasudevanand, who is backed by the BJP."
This btw, in no way implies that Vasudevananda is the head of
"Jyotirmath"!
Post by Premanand
one of the four revered maths in
the country,
Since the Bombay Public Trusts Act of 1963 there has always been 5
peeths-
(Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri, Badrinath/Jyosimutt, Kanchi)
and 2 upa-peeths at Karveer & Kashi (Varanasi) see link cited
"....The Karveer Peeth, apart from the five Peeths set up at
Badrinath,
Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri and Kanchi, had been established to propagate
the teachings of Adi Shankaracharya and first came under the Bombay
Public Trusts Act, in 1963..."
-source - http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19991021/ige21063.html
Post by Premanand
is of the firm opinion that terrorism has its genesis in
the wrong interpretation of the scriptures of any religion and this
demon can only be contained when religious figures shed their biases
and spread the true message of the ancient sages and prophets.
Strange & hypocritical words coming from a man (Swami Vasudevanada) who
owes much of his *popular and finanical* support to various *Terrorist
Organizations*, namely the RSS and VHP!
see links cited
"...Vasudevananda is usually present at major VHP and RSS events,
where he is introduced as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya. Santananda and
Vishnudevananda have also had close connections with Mahesh Yogi, who
used to be Brahmananda Saraswati's secretary. In fact, the earliest
doubts about the will left by Brahmananda Saraswati were linked to
suspicion of the motives and actions of Mahesh Yogi (then called Mahesh
Brahmachari)..."
source- http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
"....Gujarat riots had lord Ram's blessings: VHP
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 2012 hours IST
Kolkata, July 3: Rejecting former Prime Minister Atal Behari
Vajpayee's contention that NDA's poll debacle was due to the Gujarat
riots, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad on Saturday gave a clean chit to
Narendra Modi by justifying the violence in the state following the
Godhra carnage saying it "had the blessings of lord Rama"..."
source- http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=33391
"....Shankaracharya demands ban on VHP
NEW DELHI MARCH 1. The Shankaracharya of Goverdhanpuri, Jagadguru
Aadhokshjanand Teerth, today condemned the ongoing mob violence in
Gujarat as ``state terrorism'' and demanded a ban on the VHP and the
arrest of its leaders and activists under the National Security Act..."
source-
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/02/stories/2002030202161200.htm
Post by Premanand
In an exclusive interview with Ludhiana Tribune, the Shankracharya, who
was attending a function in the vicnity of the town, claimed that
terrorism was a global phenomenon and efforts to eradicate it had
proved futile so far.
This Vasudevananda is a known fabricator of the truth, and he hides the
fact that his support comes from known terrorists organizations!
Post by Premanand
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force.
Oh yea right.. sure pal!..what measure of "force" did your buddies with
the VHP use to slaughter the muslims in Gujurat riots of 2002?
Post by Premanand
No force in the world is mighty enough to crush any violent
separatist movement which has a casteist base. But it would subside
when our dharam gurus start interpreting and presenting religious
matters in the right manner and spirit," he stressed.
Who is this guy?..some poser no doubt.
pundit_moderator
2006-08-28 18:14:34 UTC
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Post by coldbluice
You might check with 108 Swami HiteshiJi Maharaj.
Of course He does not think to highly of Vasudevananda nor
Vishnudevananda.
It really a moot point about who is the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath -
that line is extinct anyway.
Post by coldbluice
Or check with Swami Swaroopananda of Jysoimutt & Dwarkamutt.
But Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is the only succussor in the line of
of Brahmanand Saraswati and that's a fact. Neither Swaroopanand nor
Prakashanand were mentioned in Guru Dev's will, a will which has never
been disputed in an Indian court of law.

And making reference to the other Shankaracharyas won't settle the
issue: the Shankaracharya of Kanchi is on trial for murder. Why didn't
you mention that?
coldbluice
2006-08-29 18:14:40 UTC
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Post by coldbluice
You might check with 108 Swami HiteshiJi Maharaj.
Of course He does not think to highly of Vasudevananda nor
Vishnudevananda.
It really a moot point about who is the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath -
that line is extinct anyway.
"Extinct" for whom?
The 2 claimants are Sri Swami Swaroopananda from 1973 to ?1993-4? (or
currently), and
Sri Swami Madhava Asrama from 1993-4 to current.

"..It is said that in 1993-4, the Kashi Vidvat Parishad and the Akhila
Bharatiya Dharmasangha decided that this was creating much public
confusion, and decided to appoint Madhava Asrama as the Sankaracharya
of Jyotirmath.."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
Post by pundit_moderator
Post by coldbluice
Or check with Swami Swaroopananda of Jysoimutt & Dwarkamutt.
But Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is the only succussor in the line of
of Brahmanand Saraswati and that's a fact.
No.., that is a *disputed* "fact" of questionable reliability!

For several reasons..

It is a undisputed fact that in 1980 Swami Shantinanda vacated his
questionable "claim" to the title at Jyosimutt..
"..In the year 1980, Santananda stepped down from the title.."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

Now nearly 6 years later in October 1986 at Vrindavan, India during
the interview with Kropinski this is said by Swami Swaroopananda..

"..Again, the so-called will of the deceased Guru Dev prescribes the
name of Dvarikeshanand Saraswati as the second person, not him.
It is written in that will (of Guru Dev) that this is clearly my
order,
that so far as Dvarikeshanand Shastri is alive, there is no one who
has the right to make anyone else succeed to that seat unless
Dvarkishanand
becomes mentally incompetent or else relinquishes the seat himself.
Depriving him of his seat is disobedience of the teacher's order.
Therefore, neither according to the Mahaanushasan, nor according to
the will of Shankaracharya (Guru Dev), is he (Vishnu Devanand) the
rightful successor..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-5

And, this from a impartial 3rd party-- a Swami DwarakesanandaJi was
next in line following Swami Shantinanda's vacated "claim" to the
title...
"...Adding to the complexity of this dispute is the fact that
according to the terms of Brahmananda's contested will, one Swami
Dwarakesananda Saraswati was supposed to have been the second choice
after Santananda.."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

So, now we have Swami Vishnudevananda annoucing his "claim" to the
title, whereby the "will" which you hold so dearly is clearly
violated!

As, Vishnudevananda did *not* have a "claim" so long as Swami
DwarakseanandaJi was alive.

Nevertheless 9 years later in 1989 Swami Vishnudevananda passes away.

Then in 1990-1 Swami Vasudevananda presses his "claim". And, yet we
have no certainity that either:
a). Swami Vasudevananda was ever "installed" as "Shankaracharya" (by
Vishnudevananda), as -- "the installation was suspect"..
see links cited

"..After Vishnudevananda also passed away, and Vasudevananda took
charge, a fresh round of litigation was begun. The latest development
from this angle is that on February 22, 1999, the court at Allahabad,
Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim order, prohibiting Vasudevananda
from using the title of Sankaracharya to collect any donations, till
the legal case gets resolved either way. The reasons cited for this
order are that his installation is suspect,.."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

Or,
b). if in fact Vishnudevananda was ever "Shankaracharya" to begin with!


As the "will" clearly stated Swami DwarakseanandaJi was next in line
after Swami Shantinanda vacated his "claim" in 1980.
Post by pundit_moderator
Neither Swaroopanand nor
Prakashanand were mentioned in Guru Dev's will, a will which has never
been disputed in an Indian court of law.
We are not in this case disputing the"will" ...we are disputing the
*Sucession* issue from Swami(s) Shantinanda --> to Vishundevananda -->
Vasudevananda.

Because we are not certain that Swami Vishnudevanada was *ever* the
"rightful successor". And, apparently he was *not* as the installation
of Vasudevananda has be held "suspect" by court order in Feb. 1999 and
upheld in November 2001, and again in another civil suit brought in
Feb. 2005 when Swami Vasudevanada was under "lock out" from Jyosimutt

..""...A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath
Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of
stealing from the monastery premises.
Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and silver
utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout..."
source- http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm

"...ALLAHABAD: District judge Jagmohan Paliwal dismissed the revision
application of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, and upheld the order of
February 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, Allahabad..."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128819658
Post by pundit_moderator
And making reference to the other Shankaracharyas won't settle the
issue: the Shankaracharya of Kanchi is on trial for murder. Why didn't
you mention that?
pundit_moderator
2006-08-29 22:19:02 UTC
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Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
It really a moot point about who is the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath -
that line is extinct anyway.
"Extinct" for whom?
Extinct due to the fact that the seat was empty for over 250 years and
Brahmanand Saraswati was appointed by a committee of pundits down in
Kashi. That committee has attempted to place others on the seat and
interfere with the rightful succussion from Brahmanand.
Post by coldbluice
The 2 claimants are Sri Swami Swaroopananda from 1973 to ?1993-4? (or
currently), and Sri Swami Madhava Asrama from 1993-4 to current.
The key word here is "claimant" - neither Swaroopanand nor Madhva
Ashram are in the desciplic succussion from Brahmanand Saraswati and
neither were mentioned in the will.
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
But Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is the only succussor in the line of
of Brahmanand Saraswati and that's a fact.
No.., that is a *disputed* "fact" of questionable reliability!
No question about it - Swaroopanand went over to another saint and
Madhva Ashram was not a desciple of Brahmanand Saraswati.
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
And making reference to the other Shankaracharyas won't settle the
issue: the Shankaracharya of Kanchi is on trial for murder. Why didn't
you mention that?
So, why didn't you mention the fact that one of your favorite
Shankaraycharyas is in court charged with murder?
coldbluice
2006-09-02 01:55:23 UTC
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Post by pundit_moderator
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
It really a moot point about who is the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath -
that line is extinct anyway.
"Extinct" for whom?
Extinct due to the fact that the seat was empty for over 250 years and
Brahmanand Saraswati was appointed by a committee of pundits down in
Kashi.
The (K)ashi (V)idvat (P)arishad appointed Sri BrahmanandaJi in 1941,
and when he passed in 1953 He failed to appoint a successor.
And in light of that fact the KVP had established a clear purpose and
defined reason to appoint His successor..
see link cited
"...Swami Brahmananda Saraswati passed away in 1953, but he had not
clearly indicated his successor. This immediately caused a problem, as
he had initiated a number of disciples into Sannyasa..."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
Post by pundit_moderator
That committee has attempted to place others on the seat and
interfere with the rightful succussion from Brahmanand.
That is the factual historical point of contention and why the KVP had
gotten involved in 1953, He had -, "not clearly indicated a
successor."
Post by pundit_moderator
Post by coldbluice
The 2 claimants are Sri Swami Swaroopananda from 1973 to ?1993-4? (or
currently), and Sri Swami Madhava Asrama from 1993-4 to current.
The key word here is "claimant" - neither Swaroopanand nor Madhva
Ashram are in the desciplic succussion from Brahmanand Saraswati and
neither were mentioned in the will.
Not true,.., Sri Swami Swaroopanada was a *Direct Disciple* as this
fact was clearly and conclusively proved in a court of law, and this
legal fact was upheld even in the appeals process
see links cited

"..Swarupananda is a direct disciple of Brahmananda Saraswati, but he
has also studied under both Krishnabodha Asrama and Abhinava
Sacchidananda Tirtha of Dwaraka.."

"...The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Swarupananda has the better claim to the Jyotirmath title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Sankaracharyas..."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

".....ALLAHABAD: District judge Jagmohan Paliwal dismissed the
revision
application of Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, and upheld the order of
February 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west,
Allahabad....."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?catkey=-2128819658
Post by pundit_moderator
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
But Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is the only succussor in the line of
of Brahmanand Saraswati and that's a fact.
No.., that is a *disputed* "fact" of questionable reliability!
No question about it - Swaroopanand went over to another saint and
Madhva Ashram was not a desciple of Brahmanand Saraswati.
Lets see..here is one of your *insane comments* that you have made in
the past regarding this issue..
Post by pundit_moderator
From: willytex - view profile
Date: Mon, Oct 16 2000 12:00 am
May I remind you that Sri Vasudevanand is the lawfully recognized
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, according to the Indian High Court;
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
And making reference to the other Shankaracharyas won't settle the
issue: the Shankaracharya of Kanchi is on trial for murder. Why didn't
you mention that?
So, why didn't you mention the fact that one of your favorite
Shankaraycharyas is in court charged with murder?
pundit_moderator
2006-09-07 14:15:05 UTC
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Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
Extinct due to the fact that the seat was empty for over 250 years and
Brahmanand Saraswati was appointed by a committee of pundits down in
Kashi.
The (K)ashi (V)idvat (P)arishad appointed Sri BrahmanandaJi in 1941,
and when he passed in 1953 He failed to appoint a successor.
You are incorrect - Sri BrahmanandJi left a handwritten will
designating a succussor; a will which was probated in an Indian court
of law. Brahmanand's succussor, Swami Shantanand Saraswati was
installed on the seat in the full view of the public and the Jyotirmath
Ashram board of governors. The will of Brahmanad has never been
challenged in court and is acknowledged by Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati
in the Kropinsky interview.

"Thus, none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been
framed in terms of contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's
will." - Vidyasankar Sundaresan

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
Post by coldbluice
And in light of that fact the KVP had established a clear purpose and
defined reason to appoint His successor.
"...Swami Brahmananda Saraswati passed away in 1953, but he had not
clearly indicated his successor. This immediately caused a problem, as
he had initiated a number of disciples into Sannyasa..."
The KVP has on three occasions attempted to intefere with the rightful
succussion of the Jyotirmath seat. After they appointed Bramanand
Saraswati, they should have kept their big pie holes shut, according to
Mr. Sundaresan.

"However, once Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was accepted as the
Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, and there were no serious disputes about it
at the time, further activities of these other institutions with
respect to succession issues could be construed as unnecessary
interference."

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
That committee has attempted to place others on the seat and
interfere with the rightful succussion from Brahmanand.
That is the factual historical point of contention and why the KVP had
gotten involved in 1953, He had -, "not clearly indicated a
successor."
Translation: The committee of pundits down in Kashi didn't like the
person chosen by Brahmanand Saraswati, therefore they attempted to
interfere with the rightful succussion.
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
The key word here is "claimant" - neither Swaroopanand nor Madhva
Ashram are in the desciplic succussion from Brahmanand Saraswati and
neither were mentioned in the will.
Not true,.., Sri Swami Swaroopanada was a *Direct Disciple* as this
fact was clearly and conclusively proved in a court of law, and this
legal fact was upheld even in the appeals process
Again, you are mistaken. According to Mr. Sundersan, Swami Swaroopanand
is not in the desciplic succussion as he had gone over to another
saint:

"Santananda passed away in late 1997, and Vasudevananda Saraswati is
currently the sole representative of this lineage."

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
So, why didn't you mention the fact that one of your favorite
Shankaraycharyas is in court charged with murder?
So why haven't you mentioned the fact that one of your favorite
Shankaracharya's is in court charged with murder?

Chronology of Shankaracharya Case:

http://rwilliams.blogspot.com/
coldbluice
2006-09-08 16:43:33 UTC
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Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
Extinct due to the fact that the seat was empty for over 250 years and
Brahmanand Saraswati was appointed by a committee of pundits down in
Kashi.
The (K)ashi (V)idvat (P)arishad appointed Sri BrahmanandaJi in 1941,
and when he passed in 1953 He failed to appoint a successor.
You are incorrect - Sri BrahmanandJi left a handwritten will
designating a succussor;
The spurious contention that there was ever an authentic "will" is an
unending fanatsy you personally indulge yourself in, in part because of
some futile attempt to justify wasting 35+ years chasing Lil Mishmashi
Mahesh's (C)onfused (P)ersonal (I)deology.

The so-called "will" was Clerk Shristava Brahmachari Mahesh's attempt
at forgery, after he conspired with the cook to poison Sri
BrahmanandaJi to death.
Post by pundit_moderator
a will which was probated in an Indian court
of law.
The fact is- *only Swami Shatananda's "claim" was disputed in court.*
And the judge in that specific case agreed with the original
determination that- "Shantananda was not properly qualified," to
succeed Sri BrahmanandaJi."

"...A few weeks after he passed away, a will was found, according to
the terms of which, a disciple called Swami Santananda Saraswati was
named as the first choice for succeeding to the Jyotirmath title.
However, many followers of Brahmananda Saraswati were satisfied neither
with the credentials of Santananda, nor with the validity/authenticity
of the will..."
"...Consequently, although one judge did acknowledge the merits of
the claim that Santananda was not properly qualified, he found no
legally valid reason to give a verdict voiding Santananda's claim to
the title..."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

And, this..
"...Shantinand, at the direction of Mahesh Yogi, refused to give up
possession of the Jyotir Math ashram and forced the matter into
litigation..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-1
Post by pundit_moderator
Brahmanand's succussor, Swami Shantanand Saraswati was
installed on the seat in the full view of the public and the Jyotirmath
Ashram board of governors.
Please tell us Willyex-, who *exactly* were the *qualified* parties
that installed Swami Shantananda?

It is a *FACT* that all of the installations of Jyosimutt, starting
with--
Sri BrahmanandaJi's in 1941, and Sri Krishnabodha Asrama in 1953, and
Swami Swaroopananda's in 1973.., all were conducted in Varanasi (Kashi)
by the Kashi Vidvat Parishat, one of the two groups *only qualified*
to make such "installations"..period!

see link cited
'"...The appointment of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati in 1941 was made
by a group of monks and pundits based in Varanasi (the Bharata Dharma
Mahamandala, Kashi Vidvat Parishad, and the Akhila Bharatiya
Dharmasangha),.."
"...Because of the controversy over Brahmananda's will and
Santananda's succession, the organizations involved in reviving
Jyotirmath in 1941 considered other nominations for the Sankaracharya
post. These efforts were blessed by Swami Abhinava Sacchidananda
Tirtha, the then Sankaracharya of Dwaraka. In 1953 itself, one Swami
Krishnabodha Asrama was appointed as the new Jyotirmath Sankaracharya,
contesting Santananda's claim..."
"....When Krishnabodha Asrama passed away in 1973, he nominated Swami
Swarupananda Saraswati to the title. Swarupananda is a direct disciple
of Brahmananda Saraswati,.."
"...Clearly, the role played by the Kashi Vidvat Parishad and the
Akhila Bharatiya Dharmasangha was not questioned when Krishnabodha
Asrama was appointed to the Jyotirmath title, except perhaps by
Santananda and his followers. As for the other mathas and their heads,
whatever their reservations may have been about Santananda's
qualifications for the Sankaracharya title, their endorsement of
Krishnabodha Asrama's appointment and/or his subsequent appointment of
Swarupananda meant that they tacitly approved of and accepted the
actions of these two organizations..."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

It is a *FACT* that Sri BrahmanandaJi had passed away and the Kashi
Vidvat Parishad had already installed Swami Krishnabodha Asrama in
Varanasi to head Jyosimutt.

So, please answer the question Willytex-, which *qualified group*
installed Swami Shantananda?

The *FACT* is -- none did!!
Swami Shantananda *assumed control* of Jyosimutt based upon a cleverly
forged "will".
Post by pundit_moderator
The will of Brahmanad has never been
challenged in court and is acknowledged by Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati
in the Kropinsky interview.
Since you have once again insisted on establishing the-- 'Kropinski
interview' as a factual and reliable source.., here is what Swami
SwaroopanandaJi had said-,
"...Shantinand, at the direction of Mahesh Yogi, refused to give up
possession of the Jyotir Math ashram and forced the matter into
litigation..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-1

And, there is this...
'"...Again, the so-called will of the deceased Guru Dev prescribes the
name of Dvarikeshanand Saraswati as the second person, not him..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-5

Wait just a minute there Willytex above you claimed-,
"a will which was probated in an Indian court of law."
(are you completly insane?)

Why would there be a need to probate a will if the "succession issue"
was not challenged in court?

Fact is Lil Mishmashi Shristava Mahesh Varmit had taken Swami
Shantananda's "claim to succession" to a probate court on the basis of
a cleverly forged will.
Post by pundit_moderator
"Thus, none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been
framed in terms of contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's
will." - Vidyasankar Sundaresan
Here is the last sentence of the immediately above-mention paragraph
from
- Vidyasankar Sundaresan's work you just cited...

"...Consequently, although one judge did acknowledge the merits of the
claim that Santananda was not properly qualified, he found no legally
valid reason to give a verdict voiding Santananda's claim to the title.
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

"...Shantinand, at the direction of Mahesh Yogi, refused to give up
possession of the Jyotir Math ashram and forced the matter into
litigation..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-1

So, how did this "issue of succession" find its way into court?..
Unless a moving party brought the "will" into court to have Swami
Shantananda's "claim to the title" heard?

As for Swami Swaroopananda is concerned (as you keep insisting on
bringing up the Kropinski interview as a reliable and factual source).,
He never said the will was authentic!!

He in fact just quotes portions of the "so-called will" here is just
some of what Swami Sri SwaroopanandaJi has said, as you personally cite
the 'Kropinski interview' as fact..

"...Again, the so-called will of the deceased Guru Dev prescribes the
name of Dvarikeshanand Saraswati as the second person, not him..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-5

'"...word came to me that he (Shantinand) had
requested to be allowed on the stage. I allowed him to be present only
because he has given up this nonsense of claiming title to
Shankaracharya. He said Vishnu Devanand, Mahesh's so-called
Shankaracharya, was also here in Vrindaban, he also requested to come
onto the stage, but I refused. Then, he (Vishnu Devanand) stated he
would sit on a lower, undecorated seat if I allowed him to attend. I
refused him. Then, he again begged to simply sit on the floor of the
stage at my feet, if I allowed him to be publicly present. Again I
refused. He said, if I allow him to be seen with me, and all the while
wrongfully claiming title as Shankaracharya, it will appear as if I
approve of his activity, and I do not. Therefore, he said, I have
ordered that he may not even come into the tent to sit in the
audience..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-1
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And in light of that fact the KVP had established a clear purpose and
defined reason to appoint His successor.
"...Swami Brahmananda Saraswati passed away in 1953, but he had not
clearly indicated his successor. This immediately caused a problem, as
he had initiated a number of disciples into Sannyasa..."
The KVP has on three occasions attempted to intefere with the rightful
succussion of the Jyotirmath seat. After they appointed Bramanand
Saraswati, they should have kept their big pie holes shut, according to
Mr. Sundaresan.
"However, once Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was accepted as the
Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, and there were no serious disputes about it
at the time, further activities of these other institutions with
respect to succession issues could be construed as unnecessary
interference."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
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That committee has attempted to place others on the seat and
interfere with the rightful succussion from Brahmanand.
That is the factual historical point of contention and why the KVP had
gotten involved in 1953, He had -, "not clearly indicated a
successor."
The committee of pundits down in Kashi didn't like the
person chosen by Brahmanand Saraswati, therefore they attempted to
interfere with the rightful succussion.
No sorry Willytex the issue was the "so-called will" of Sri
BrahmanandaJi.

As you - yourself continually insist on citing the Kropinski interniew
as fact..

"...Shantinand, at the direction of Mahesh Yogi, refused to give up
possession of the Jyotir Math ashram and forced the matter into
litigation..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-1
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The key word here is "claimant" - neither Swaroopanand nor Madhva
Ashram are in the desciplic succussion from Brahmanand Saraswati and
neither were mentioned in the will.
Not true,.., Sri Swami Swaroopanada was a *Direct Disciple* as this
fact was clearly and conclusively proved in a court of law, and this
legal fact was upheld even in the appeals process
Again, you are mistaken. According to Mr. Sundersan, Swami Swaroopanand
is not in the desciplic succussion
Again i ask you-, 'are you insane'?

Here is Mr. Sudersan writing exactly the opposite..
"..Swarupananda is a direct disciple of Brahmananda Saraswati,.."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
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as he had gone over to another
And, that is implied to mean what exacatly?
Simply because He departed Jyosimutt after the passing of Sri
BrahmanandaJi?
Perhaps that was His instructions from Sri BrahmanandaJi!!
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"Santananda passed away in late 1997, and Vasudevananda Saraswati is
currently the sole representative of this lineage."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
Here are the sentences that you forgot to include..

"...There is no indication that the rival lineage of Santananda and
his disciples was endorsed at this time by any of the other
Sankaracharyas..."
"...Thus, notwithstanding the previous legal standing of Santananda at
Jyotirmath, his disciple and successor seems to have suffered a legal
setback at present..."
"...However, it is precisely this lineage that seems to lack the
necessary traditional support and that also seems to have now lost its
previous legal standing.
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
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So, why didn't you mention the fact that one of your favorite
Shankaraycharyas is in court charged with murder?
So why haven't you mentioned the fact that one of your favorite
Shankaracharya's is in court charged with murder?
http://rwilliams.blogspot.com/
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You are incorrect - Sri BrahmanandJi left a handwritten will
designating a succussor;
The so-called "will" was Clerk Shristava Brahmachari Mahesh's attempt
at forgery, after he conspired with the cook to poison Sri BrahmanandaJi
to death.
According to Vidyasankar Sundaresan: "Thus, none of the civil suits in
this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal
bona fides of Brahmananda's will."

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html

According to the Swami Swaroopanand: "It is written in that will (of
Guru Dev) that this is clearly my order, that so far as Dvarikeshanand
Shastri is alive, there is no one who has the right to make anyone else
succeed to that seat unless Dvarkishanand becomes mentally incompetent
or else relinquishes the seat himself. Depriving him of his seat is
disobedience of the teacher's order. Therefore, neither according to
the Mahaanushasan, nor according to the will of Shankaracharya (Guru
Dev), is he (Vishnu Devanand) the rightful successor..."

Note: The above excerpt of the Kropinsky transcript was taken directly
from the taped conversations between Robert Kropinski, a former TM
teacher and follower of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and Shree Shankaracharya
Swaroopanand Saraswati, a pre-eminent disciple of Swami Brahmananda
Saraswati, as posted on Mike Doughney's Website: A Visit to the
Shankaracharya
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2006-09-10 13:25:04 UTC
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You are incorrect - Sri BrahmanandJi left a handwritten will
designating a succussor;
The so-called "will" was Clerk Shristava Brahmachari Mahesh's attempt
at forgery, after he conspired with the cook to poison Sri BrahmanandaJi
to death.
According to Vidyasankar Sundaresan: "Thus, none of the civil suits in
this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal
bona fides of Brahmananda's will."
Are you completely insane?

You just posted this
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a will which was probated in an Indian court
of law.
On Thursday Sept. 07, 2006!

So, now you reversing yourself, and posting a quote from - Vidyasankar
Sundaresan which contradicts your statement of 09/07/06 wherein you
claim the "so-called will" was "probated in an Indian court".

.."...Consequently, although one judge did acknowledge the merits of
the
claim that Santananda was not properly qualified, he found no legally
valid reason to give a verdict voiding Santananda's claim to the title.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
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http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
According to the Swami Swaroopanand: "It is written in that will (of
Guru Dev) that this is clearly my order, that so far as Dvarikeshanand
Shastri is alive, there is no one who has the right to make anyone else
succeed to that seat unless Dvarkishanand becomes mentally incompetent
or else relinquishes the seat himself. Depriving him of his seat is
disobedience of the teacher's order. Therefore, neither according to
the Mahaanushasan, nor according to the will of Shankaracharya (Guru
Dev), is he (Vishnu Devanand) the rightful successor..."
In the context of the interview which is to be taken in its entireity,
Sri Swami SwaroopanandaJi's final statement on page 5 refers for the
last time to the "so-called will" as such..

..'"...Again, the so-called will of the deceased Guru Dev prescribes
the
name of Dvarikeshanand Saraswati as the second person, not him..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-5
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Note: The above excerpt of the Kropinsky transcript was taken directly
from the taped conversations between Robert Kropinski, a former TM
teacher and follower of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and Shree Shankaracharya
Swaroopanand Saraswati, a pre-eminent disciple of Swami Brahmananda
Saraswati, as posted on Mike Doughney's Website: A Visit to the
Shankaracharya
Are completely delusional Willytex?
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2006-09-10 15:50:16 UTC
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According to Vidyasankar Sundaresan: "Thus, none of the civil suits in
this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal
bona fides of Brahmananda's will."
Are you completely insane?
So, it has been established by Mr. Sundersan that no Jyotirmath
claimant ever contested Guru Dev's will in an Indian court of law. You
were incorrect and you made a mistake. Apparently you can't even read -
it was you that posted the report! Go figure.
Post by coldbluice
You just posted this a will which was probated in an Indian court of law.
On Thursday Sept. 07, 2006!
So, now you reversing yourself, and posting a quote from - Vidyasankar
Sundaresan which contradicts your statement of 09/07/06 wherein you
claim the "so-called will" was "probated in an Indian court".
How else do you think a will is probated, except in a court of law?
Post by coldbluice
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
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According to the Swami Swaroopanand: "It is written in that will (of
Guru Dev) that this is clearly my order, that so far as Dvarikeshanand
Shastri is alive, there is no one who has the right to make anyone else
succeed to that seat unless Dvarkishanand becomes mentally incompetent
or else relinquishes the seat himself. Depriving him of his seat is
disobedience of the teacher's order. Therefore, neither according to
the Mahaanushasan, nor according to the will of Shankaracharya (Guru
Dev), is he (Vishnu Devanand) the rightful successor..."
In the context of the interview which is to be taken in its entireity,
Sri Swami SwaroopanandaJi's final statement on page 5 refers for the
last time to the "so-called will" as such..
So, if the Swami Swaroopanad didn't think the will was valid, then why
didn't he contest it in a court of law? If your Swami and Karpatri
could prove there was a murder by Mr. Varma, why didn't they report it
to the police at the time? And why isn't there any mention of a
Shankaracharya ever being posioned to death in any of the seven major
Indian media outlets? Wouldn't this be newsworthy?

So, why are you the only person on the planet pushing this agenda?
Maybe it's your way of doing seva to your guru - if so, you're giving
your cult and your Swami a bad reputation. If you and the Swami Prakash
lied about this, who would believe anything you two have to say?
Post by coldbluice
..'"...Again, the so-called will of the deceased Guru Dev prescribes
the name of Dvarikeshanand Saraswati as the second person, not him..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-5
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Note: The above excerpt of the Kropinsky transcript was taken directly
from the taped conversations between Robert Kropinski, a former TM
teacher and follower of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and Shree Shankaracharya
Swaroopanand Saraswati, a pre-eminent disciple of Swami Brahmananda
Saraswati, as posted on Mike Doughney's Website: A Visit to the
Shankaracharya
Are completely delusional Willytex?
Now that you have been totally discredited, maybe it's time to shut
your pie hole: No "Little Shiva"; no contested will; no murder; no
posion; no proof; no sense; no point in discussing this any further.
All you have is the word of a lying Swami living down in Texas on a
cult compound with a bunch of rasik rascals like yourself. The lesson
from this is never trust the word of a hayseed Hare Krishna fanatic.
coldbluice
2006-09-11 00:48:52 UTC
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According to Vidyasankar Sundaresan: "Thus, none of the civil suits in
this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal
bona fides of Brahmananda's will."
Here is the entire content of the sentences you cite..

"...Thus, none of the civil suits in this dispute seems to have been
framed in terms of contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's
will. Consequently, although one judge did acknowledge the merits of
the claim that Santananda was not properly qualified, he found no
legally valid reason to give a verdict voiding Santananda's claim to
the title..."
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
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Are you completely insane?
So, it has been established by Mr. Sundersan that no Jyotirmath
claimant ever contested Guru Dev's will in an Indian court of law.
No! as you well know we both agreed that-, "Shantinand, at the
direction of Mahesh Yogi, refused to give up possession of the Jyotir
Math ashram and forced the matter into litigation..."

As you have on numerous ocassions cited the historical fact and the
*Absolute Reliablilty* of the Kropinski interview.

please see link below
.."...Shantinand, at the direction of Mahesh Yogi, refused to give up

possession of the Jyotir Math ashram and forced the matter into
litigation..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-1
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You
were incorrect and you made a mistake.
No I did not make a mistake. I have posted that same fact for six years
from July 2000 until today.
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Apparently you can't even read -
it was you that posted the report! Go figure.
Post by coldbluice
You just posted this a will which was probated in an Indian court of law.
On Thursday Sept. 07, 2006!
So, now you reversing yourself, and posting a quote from - Vidyasankar
Sundaresan which contradicts your statement of 09/07/06 wherein you
claim the "so-called will" was "probated in an Indian court".
How else do you think a will is probated, except in a court of law?
Post by coldbluice
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
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According to the Swami Swaroopanand: "It is written in that will (of
Guru Dev) that this is clearly my order, that so far as Dvarikeshanand
Shastri is alive, there is no one who has the right to make anyone else
succeed to that seat unless Dvarkishanand becomes mentally incompetent
or else relinquishes the seat himself. Depriving him of his seat is
disobedience of the teacher's order. Therefore, neither according to
the Mahaanushasan, nor according to the will of Shankaracharya (Guru
Dev), is he (Vishnu Devanand) the rightful successor..."
In the context of the interview which is to be taken in its entireity,
Sri Swami SwaroopanandaJi's final statement on page 5 refers for the
last time to the "so-called will" as such..
So, if the Swami Swaroopanad didn't think the will was valid, then why
didn't he contest it in a court of law? If your Swami and Karpatri
could prove there was a murder by Mr. Varma, why didn't they report it
to the police at the time? And why isn't there any mention of a
Shankaracharya ever being posioned to death in any of the seven major
Indian media outlets? Wouldn't this be newsworthy?
So, why are you the only person on the planet pushing this agenda?
It is a historical fact that- Lil Mishmashi Shrivstava Parsad Varmit
co-conspired with ashram cook to poison Sri BrahmanandaJi to death.
Then he Lil Mishmashi cleverly forged a "will".

Someday soon you will have all the documentation you require.

Although it probably will not an ounce of difference to you.

The original topic of this thread related to Vasudevananda a *poser* of
the worst kind. Why not stick to the topic of this thread?
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2006-09-11 04:00:06 UTC
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The original topic of this thread related to Vasudevananda a *poser* of
the worst kind. Why not stick to the topic of this thread?
According to the medical records, as described in the official
biography of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, Guru Dev died of natural
causes. Just before Swamiji passed away, he summoned his foremost
chela, Bal Bramacharya Mahesh, who had been waiting just outside in the
hall, and handed him a full set of written instructions concerning the
administration of his entire estate. Guru Dev then told Mahesh, in
front of three others:

"My dearest Mahesh, please put this old bag of bones, [pointing at his
chest], inside a trunk, with this body sitting upright in this high
chair, [pointing at his chair], and toss it into the Ganges river
[makes dumping gesture]. Then, Bal, you should arrange my affairs and
then go to the Himalayas, go inside a cave at the Upper Kashi and
meditate day and night, just like I have instructed you. Don't come
down from the mountain until you'e developed a plan to spiritually
regenerate the whole world. Use the simple system of meditation that I
have taught you - remember to keep the teaching pure, just as I have."

Guru Dev then closed his eyes, sat up in the full lotus position, took
one long deep breath, felt his body as a whole, became aware of his
bija-mantra, just like any other thought, and absorbed in deep
meditation, passed into Unity Conciousness.

After arranging the funeral of his Guru DevJi and turning over, with
all due pomp and ceremony, the administration of the Jyotirmath Trust
to Guru Dev's worthy succussor, Shantanand Saraswati, as specified in
Guru Dev's hand-written will, Bal Bramhacharya Mahesh followed Guru
Dev's instructions to the letter: he went to a cave in the forest of
Garwhal, up in the Himalayas. It has been reported that Bal practiced
the mouna yoga. During that time he also mastered the siddha yoga;
became a master of meditation in the tradition of yogis; cognized the
bija-mantras, thus becoming somewhat of a Seer himself and all the
people in Kerala called him a Maharishi.
coldbluice
2006-09-11 12:29:41 UTC
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The original topic of this thread related to Vasudevananda a *poser* of
the worst kind. Why not stick to the topic of this thread?
According to the medical records, as described in the official
biography of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, Guru Dev died of natural
causes.
Which "medical records" are those?

The medical records that Swami SwaroopanandaJi refers to in the much
relied upon and historically accurate Kropinski interview of
October1986 (as we both have agreed) indicated there was poison in Sri
BrahmanandaJi's body at the time of death.

see links cited
"...Guru Dev held the title of Shankaracharya of Jyotir
Math, the monastery located in Northern India, until his death, by
poisoning, in 1954..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-1

"...It is said that Guru Dev was given poison. Who gave that poison we
don't know but we know that there was poison in his body. When Guru
Dev's body became unwell, then we wanted him to go to Kashi to rest.
But he (Mahesh) removed him from that trip forcibly and took him to
speak in Calcutta. There he died..."
http://www.minet.org/Documents/shank-5
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According to the medical records, as described in the official
biography of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, Guru Dev died of natural
causes.
Which "medical records" are those?
The Calcutta Coroner's report?
Post by coldbluice
The medical records that Swami SwaroopanandaJi refers to in the much
relied upon and historically accurate Kropinski interview of
October1986 (as we both have agreed) indicated there was poison in Sri
BrahmanandaJi's body at the time of death.
Not according to Guru Dev's doctor - according to the doctor, Guru Dev
died of natural causes. The Swami Swaroopanand doesn't have any medical
records - if he did he would have produced them a long time ago and
would have notified the police. The Indian press would have noted such
a case as well.

Can you cite a single reference in any of the Indian press that
mentions anything about a Shankaracharya being poisoned in this
century? Perhaps the Times of India or the Hindustan Times. What does
Hinduism Today have to say on the subject?

All parties that I've interviewed all denied that Brahmanand ate cooked
food. According to Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, a direct desciple,
Sannyasins aren't supposed to be eating food cooked by others and
they're not to be playing around with fire either. Swami Rama of the
Himalayas in his book, Living With the Himalayan Masters, described
Brahmanand as an ascetic that consumed small quantities of sesame
seeds.

It may be true that Shantanand cooked food at various times, however,
when I interviewed Brahmacharya Satyanand in 1970, another direct
desciple, he made no mention of Shantanand being a cook. We have a very
detailed corpus of interviews with Shantanand over the years conducted
by F.C. Roles, who was a student of Shantanand for many years - no
mention of Shantanand being a cook.
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2006-09-11 20:06:54 UTC
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According to the medical records, as described in the official
biography of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, Guru Dev died of natural
causes.
Which "medical records" are those?
The Calcutta Coroner's report?
<snip>
All parties that I've interviewed all denied that Brahmanand ate cooked
food.
Not according to "source" at Maine College of Arts, Dana Sawyer

"...(3) must be well versed in all aspects of the varnasrama-dharma.
But, to the contrary, Santananda, his opponents maintained, though a
good and moral person, did not have the requisite learning, having been
a book binder in his pre-ascetic life and Brahmananda's cook during
his time with the guru..."
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According to Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, a direct desciple,
Sannyasins aren't supposed to be eating food cooked by others and
they're not to be playing around with fire either.
I (as well as my wife & children) have eaten His prepared / "cooked"
food directly from His hands on many many occsaions.
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<snip>
It may be true that Shantanand cooked food at various times, however,
when I interviewed Brahmacharya Satyanand in 1970, another direct
desciple, he made no mention of Shantanand being a cook. We have a very
detailed corpus of interviews with Shantanand over the years conducted
by F.C. Roles, who was a student of Shantanand for many years - no
mention of Shantanand being a cook.
You just make this stuff up as you go along! Don't you?
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2006-09-11 16:37:00 UTC
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According to Vidyasankar Sundaresan: "Thus, none of the civil suits in
this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the legal
bona fides of Brahmananda's will."
Are you completely insane?
So, it has been established by Mr. Sundersan that no Jyotirmath
claimant ever contested Guru Dev's will in an Indian court of law.
Why do you feel compelled to constantly lie and mis-inform over this
issue?

We both know you spent a great deal of time corresponding with--
Dana Sawyer of Maine College of Art.

As she pointed out to you the "so-callled will" of Sri BrahmanandaJi
was immediately contested.

It is a historical fact Sri BrahmanandaJi passed away on May 23, 1954,
and "will" was published on June 8, 1954.

On June 12, 1954 Swami Shantinanda-(Sri BrahmanandaJi's cook) was
"installed" as head. I told you I would answer your question, soon. The
co-conspirator the cook (Swami Shantinanda) conspired with Brahmachari
Mahesh.

Now I will answer for you, the question I had posed earlier-, "Please
tell us Willyex-, who *exactly* were the *qualified* parties that
installed Swami Shantananda?

No one!..Swami Shantinanda had taken over has "head" of Jysoimutt based
upon a "so-called will".

It is a fact that Swami Shantinanda *WAS NOT* "installed" by the
"ashram trust"(Bharat Dharma Mahamandal, who had originally created the
trust).

In fact the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal, claimed they had, (at the time
of the establishing of the Jyotir Math trust), reserved the right to
decide who ascended as "head" if succession ever became an issue.

So, on June 25, 1953 Sri Swami Krishnabodha Asrama was installed as
"head" of Jyosimutt.
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You
were incorrect and you made a mistake. Apparently you can't even read -
it was you that posted the report! Go figure.
This is exactly what I had posted on..

From: coldbluice - view profile
Date: Fri, Sep 8 2006 11:43 am
'"...The fact is- *only Swami Shatananda's "claim" was disputed in
court.*
And the judge in that specific case agreed with the original
determination that- "Shantananda was not properly qualified," to
succeed Sri BrahmanandaJi."
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Post by coldbluice
You just posted this a will which was probated in an Indian court of law.
On Thursday Sept. 07, 2006!
So, now you reversing yourself, and posting a quote from - Vidyasankar
Sundaresan which contradicts your statement of 09/07/06 wherein you
claim the "so-called will" was "probated in an Indian court".
How else do you think a will is probated, except in a court of law?
We both well know the "so-called will" was never "probated".

As I have stated from very beginning (June of 2000) in the early
sixties the ashram trust-(Bharat Dharma Mahamandal) obtained
permission of the Advocate general in Allahabad to file a suit under
s.92 of the Civil Procedure Code (instituted by the British in 1908)
against Swami Shantinanda.
This case, first heard in District court at Seoni, was brought
forward in the name of Swami Paramatmananda, the fourth person named in
the disputed will, along with three pandits, two of which, Mahdev
Sastra and Nagesh Upadyaya, were of the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal.
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http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
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According to the Swami Swaroopanand: "It is written in that will (of
Guru Dev) that this is clearly my order, that so far as Dvarikeshanand
Shastri is alive, there is no one who has the right to make anyone else
succeed to that seat unless Dvarkishanand becomes mentally incompetent
or else relinquishes the seat himself. Depriving him of his seat is
disobedience of the teacher's order. Therefore, neither according to
the Mahaanushasan, nor according to the will of Shankaracharya (Guru
Dev), is he (Vishnu Devanand) the rightful successor..."
In the context of the interview which is to be taken in its entireity,
Sri Swami SwaroopanandaJi's final statement on page 5 refers for the
last time to the "so-called will" as such..
So, if the Swami Swaroopanad didn't think the will was valid, then why
didn't he contest it in a court of law?
We both know on seperate occasions Swami Swaroopananda had taken this
issue to court..according to Dana Swayer

1). Immediately after Swami Shantananda's abdication, the Krisnhabodh
Asrama camp, now led by Swami Swaroopananda, launched a new court case.
In this new tactic, Swami Swaroopananda initiated Dwarka Prasad
Shastri, the second named person in Sri BrahmanandaJi's disputed
will, into sanyas, making him Dandi Swami Swami Dwarikeshananda
Saraswati. The idea here was that they would plead that he, as the
second named person in the disputed will should proceed to the "head"
of Jysoimutt after Swami Shantananda ahead of the third named person
who had been Swami Vishnudevananda.
So even though they believed the will had been a forgery, they would
use it against the rival camp, and then the new swami would simply
abdicate to Swami Swaroopananda, whom he endorsed. However, the new
swami died before the case was ever tried.

2). In 1989 a when Swami Vishnudevananda died. A new case was launched
by Swami Swaroopananda (case # 513, filed at Allahabad) this time
aimed at Swami Vasudevananda, the inheritor of Santananda's math and
his diksa disciple, who possesses a will of Vishnudevananda's giving
the "title" to him.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
If your Swami and Karpatri
could prove there was a murder by Mr. Varma, why didn't they report it
to the police at the time?
My "Swami" departed and wanted nothing to do with the seat at
Jyosimutt.

As far as Swami Hariharananda Saraswati (known as Karpatri Swamiji) is
concerned He also had no desire to head Jyosimutt). He (as you know)
declined the original offer in 1941 and nominated his Guru- Sri
BrahamandaJi.

However, Karpatri Swamiji and the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal with the
Kashi Vidvat Parishad nominated Swami Krishnabodha Asrama on June25,
1953 to head Jyosimutt.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
And why isn't there any mention of a
Shankaracharya ever being posioned to death in any of the seven major
Indian media outlets? Wouldn't this be newsworthy?
As it was told to me-, "Sri BrahmanandaJi knew of His final demise and
choose to do nothing to prevent it.
As, He believed it was His- leshavidya / destiny to undergo this
terrible death by poisoning.

Apprently He was well aware of what was happening, and about to happen.

So He just let (the conspirators kill Him) as a final end to His life
here on earth.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
So, why are you the only person on the planet pushing this agenda?
I am not pushing any "agenda".
I am just sharing with you a valuable lesson.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by coldbluice
<snip>
Post by w***@yahoo.com
<snip>
Are completely delusional Willytex?
Now that you have been totally discredited, maybe it's time to shut
Why do you withhold information?

I have not been "discredited" I present information from the other side
of the fence.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
No "Little Shiva"; no contested will;
The "so-called will" was contested from the beginning, as we both
know!!
Post by w***@yahoo.com
no murder; no
posion; no proof; no sense; no point in discussing this any further.
As I posted here 6 years ago Lil Mishmashi Shristava Prasad Varmit will
die completely *fallen & in dis-grace* while living in exile in Holland
far from his former ashram, he will have accomplished nothing. Excpt
fleecing gullible westerners out of thier money, and murdering his
master (along with the ashram cook - Swami Shantinanda) to get a the
chest of money under Sri BrahmanandaJi's bed.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
<snip>
The lesson
from this is never trust the word of a hayseed Hare Krishna fanatic.
Very soon you will have all the information you need.
w***@yahoo.com
2006-09-11 20:27:25 UTC
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Post by coldbluice
We both know you spent a great deal of time corresponding with--
Dana Sawyer of Maine College of Art.
You've made some interesting points, but I think I'm in a better
position than you, down in Texas, or Dana Sawyer, up in Maine, to
summarize the known facts concerning Swami Brahmanand's untimely
demise. Not to mention the fact that I'm more popular on Usenet now
than the Marshy. My own cult following at the TM Ideal Village and at
Barsana Dham makes your current gang-of-three group look like tiny fire
ants climbing up a dung heap.

I've read all the pertinent published literature, which I cited with
copious footnotes, and I've interviewed three direct desciples of
Brahnanand Saraswati, one that is still living, Swami Prakashanand
Saraswati, who lives at Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples
outside India, which is about a mile from my house at Radience, the TM
Ideal Village near Austin.

In contrast, you've provided nothing but rumors and gossip. My
informants tell me that you're not even allowed into the Swami
Prakashanand's room anymore for a private interview. In my case, I can
still get inside the mandir for arotik to jump and shout anytime I want
to. These days you're doing a seva washing dishes in the kitchen after
Friday evening feast - better to leave the important discussions to the
Swami, Meeradevai and this fellow. This kind of subject matter is way
over your head.

You and Professor Sawyer have cited no published works, named no
witnesses or even spoken to the most famous living disciple, the
Marshy. In my opinion, you are perpetuating political rumors and
posting mis-information.

For the record, there's no evidence anywhere that Mr. Varma, in a
conspiracy with the Jyotirmath ashram cook, murdered Brahmanand by
putting poison in his food when he was at Calcutta. That's preposterous
on its face! Where, exactly, do you get your information, inside a box
of Cracker Jacks?

In fact, there is no real Shankaracharya of Jyorirmath because that
lineage is extinct. Further, there's no historical evidence that the
Adi Shankara ever estasblished any mathas at all! The following
exchange, which appeared on Yahoo! FairfieldLife and on Usenet, has
been snipped for easy reading. Enjoy.

Jyotirmath Lineage:
http://tinyurl.com/rzm7t

My thanks go to Dana Sawyer of Maine College of Art, who kindly shared
with me the results of his field studies and interviews.
Post by coldbluice
It is a historical fact Sri BrahmanandaJi passed away on May 23, 1954,
and "will" was published on June 8, 1954.
On June 12, 1954 Swami Shantinanda-(Sri BrahmanandaJi's cook) was
"installed" as head. I told you I would answer your question, soon. The
co-conspirator the cook (Swami Shantinanda) conspired with Brahmachari
Mahesh.
Now I will answer for you, the question I had posed earlier-, "Please
tell us Willyex-, who *exactly* were the *qualified* parties that
installed Swami Shantananda?
No one!..Swami Shantinanda had taken over has "head" of Jysoimutt based
upon a "so-called will".
It is a fact that Swami Shantinanda *WAS NOT* "installed" by the
"ashram trust"(Bharat Dharma Mahamandal, who had originally created the
trust).
In fact the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal, claimed they had, (at the time
of the establishing of the Jyotir Math trust), reserved the right to
decide who ascended as "head" if succession ever became an issue.
So, on June 25, 1953 Sri Swami Krishnabodha Asrama was installed as
"head" of Jyosimutt.
This is exactly what I had posted on..
From: coldbluice - view profile
Date: Fri, Sep 8 2006 11:43 am
'"...The fact is- *only Swami Shatananda's "claim" was disputed in
court.*
And the judge in that specific case agreed with the original
determination that- "Shantananda was not properly qualified," to
succeed Sri BrahmanandaJi."
We both well know the "so-called will" was never "probated".
As I have stated from very beginning (June of 2000) in the early
sixties the ashram trust-(Bharat Dharma Mahamandal) obtained
permission of the Advocate general in Allahabad to file a suit under
s.92 of the Civil Procedure Code (instituted by the British in 1908)
against Swami Shantinanda.
This case, first heard in District court at Seoni, was brought
forward in the name of Swami Paramatmananda, the fourth person named in
the disputed will, along with three pandits, two of which, Mahdev
Sastra and Nagesh Upadyaya, were of the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal.
We both know on seperate occasions Swami Swaroopananda had taken this
issue to court..according to Dana Swayer
1). Immediately after Swami Shantananda's abdication, the Krisnhabodh
Asrama camp, now led by Swami Swaroopananda, launched a new court case.
In this new tactic, Swami Swaroopananda initiated Dwarka Prasad
Shastri, the second named person in Sri BrahmanandaJi's disputed
will, into sanyas, making him Dandi Swami Swami Dwarikeshananda
Saraswati. The idea here was that they would plead that he, as the
second named person in the disputed will should proceed to the "head"
of Jysoimutt after Swami Shantananda ahead of the third named person
who had been Swami Vishnudevananda.
So even though they believed the will had been a forgery, they would
use it against the rival camp, and then the new swami would simply
abdicate to Swami Swaroopananda, whom he endorsed. However, the new
swami died before the case was ever tried.
2). In 1989 a when Swami Vishnudevananda died. A new case was launched
by Swami Swaroopananda (case # 513, filed at Allahabad) this time
aimed at Swami Vasudevananda, the inheritor of Santananda's math and
his diksa disciple, who possesses a will of Vishnudevananda's giving
the "title" to him.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
If your Swami and Karpatri
could prove there was a murder by Mr. Varma, why didn't they report it
to the police at the time?
My "Swami" departed and wanted nothing to do with the seat at
Jyosimutt.
As far as Swami Hariharananda Saraswati (known as Karpatri Swamiji) is
concerned He also had no desire to head Jyosimutt). He (as you know)
declined the original offer in 1941 and nominated his Guru- Sri
BrahamandaJi.
However, Karpatri Swamiji and the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal with the
Kashi Vidvat Parishad nominated Swami Krishnabodha Asrama on June25,
1953 to head Jyosimutt.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
And why isn't there any mention of a
Shankaracharya ever being posioned to death in any of the seven major
Indian media outlets? Wouldn't this be newsworthy?
As it was told to me-, "Sri BrahmanandaJi knew of His final demise and
choose to do nothing to prevent it.
As, He believed it was His- leshavidya / destiny to undergo this
terrible death by poisoning.
Apprently He was well aware of what was happening, and about to happen.
So He just let (the conspirators kill Him) as a final end to His life
here on earth.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
So, why are you the only person on the planet pushing this agenda?
I am not pushing any "agenda".
I am just sharing with you a valuable lesson.
Why do you withhold information?
I have not been "discredited" I present information from the other side
of the fence.
The "so-called will" was contested from the beginning, as we both
know!!
As I posted here 6 years ago Lil Mishmashi Shristava Prasad Varmit will
die completely *fallen & in dis-grace* while living in exile in Holland
far from his former ashram, he will have accomplished nothing. Excpt
fleecing gullible westerners out of thier money, and murdering his
master (along with the ashram cook - Swami Shantinanda) to get a the
chest of money under Sri BrahmanandaJi's bed.
Very soon you will have all the information you need.
Send it to me right away, along with the $250 you still owe me!
coldbluice
2006-09-11 21:09:36 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by coldbluice
We both know you spent a great deal of time corresponding with--
Dana Sawyer of Maine College of Art.
You've made some interesting points,
None of which you dispute.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
but I think I'm in a better
position than you, down in Texas, or Dana Sawyer, up in Maine, to
summarize the known facts concerning Swami Brahmanand's untimely
demise.
You have no clue who and what killed Sri BrahamanandaJi in 1953.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
Not to mention the fact that I'm more popular on Usenet now
than the Marshy.
I am very sure that - in your *own* mind you are more popular than the
"Marshy".
Post by w***@yahoo.com
My own cult following at the TM Ideal Village and at
Barsana Dham
What following at B.D?
You could not even get into the sitting room to see Sri Swamiji.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
makes your current gang-of-three group look like tiny fire
ants climbing up a dung heap.
I've read all the pertinent published literature, which I cited with
copious footnotes, and I've interviewed three direct desciples of
Brahnanand Saraswati,
Which three would those be?
Post by w***@yahoo.com
one that is still living, Swami Prakashanand
Saraswati, who lives at Barsana Dham,
No you have not..pathological liar!

He will be here Sept. 22 lets see you go interview him.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
one of the largest Hindu temples
outside India, which is about a mile from my house at Radience, the TM
Ideal Village near Austin.
In contrast, you've provided nothing but rumors and gossip. My
informants tell me that you're not even allowed into the Swami
Prakashanand's room anymore for a private interview.
Yea sure..I can go in there anytime.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
In my case, I can
still get inside the mandir for arotik to jump and shout anytime I want
to.
These days you're doing a seva washing dishes in the kitchen after
Friday evening feast -
Sunday 12:30Pm is the "feast". I /we/family will sponsor a "feast" you
can come by and eat.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
better to leave the important discussions to the
Swami, Meeradevai and this fellow.
Well I don't think that will happen. As, Sri Swamiji would not speak to
you on these matters. And, Meeradevi departed long ago for New Zeland.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
This kind of subject matter is way
over your head.
Yea sure. I kicked you butt to many times already.

In fact everything you have learned in the last 6 years came directly
because of me.

You sent me a e-mail 6 years ago, you did not even know the 5 original
Jagadguru Acharyas.

And, when you tried to address the subject you insisted the 5 original
Jagadguru's presided over the "4" Shankar Acharya's peeths.

As anyone who has studied the religion-(Sanatan Dharm) of Bharatvarsh
is well aware the five Jagadguru Acharyas(that have come to earth over
the past 5,000 years) preside over all the monastic orders including
the 5 peeths of ShankarAcharya, and peeths of MadhvAchraya, and the
peeths of RamunjAcharya.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
You and Professor Sawyer have cited no published works, named no
witnesses or even spoken to the most famous living disciple, the
Marshy.
Professor Sawyer and I have personally examined the relevant documents,
and spoken to witnesses.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
In my opinion, you are perpetuating political rumors and
posting mis-information.
No that is your chosen profession.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
For the record, there's no evidence anywhere that Mr. Varma, in a
conspiracy with the Jyotirmath ashram cook, murdered Brahmanand by
putting poison in his food when he was at Calcutta.
There is evidence. And, if you are patient you will get it.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
That's preposterous
on its face! Where, exactly, do you get your information, inside a box
of Cracker Jacks?
Hey Willytex.., you and Lawson and Judy are the only persons getting
their panties in a wad over the fact that-- the ashram cook(Swami
Shantinanda) and Lil Mishmashi Shrivstava Prasad Varmit Mahesh
conspired to poison Sri BrahmanandaJI to death.

Everyone at Jyosimutt in 1953 knew what was about to happen, even Sri
BrahmanandaJi. However has He said-, "it was the destiny He had to
suffer".

No one then, or now at Jyosimutt was truly concerned. It was Sri
BrahmanandaJi's fate / destiny / leshavidya that He die in ths manner.

In fact He insisted that nothing be done to stop the conspiracy, or to
do anything after He passed in regards to the He had passed. IT WAS
DESTINED TO HAPPEN, AND HE KNEW IT.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
In fact, there is no real Shankaracharya of Jyorirmath because that
lineage is extinct.
Again "extinct" for who?
For the committes that revived Jyosimutt in -1941?
Post by w***@yahoo.com
Further, there's no historical evidence that the
Adi Shankara ever estasblished any mathas at all! The following
exchange, which appeared on Yahoo! FairfieldLife and on Usenet, has
been snipped for easy reading. Enjoy.
http://tinyurl.com/rzm7t
My thanks go to Dana Sawyer of Maine College of Art, who kindly shared
with me the results of his field studies and interviews.
Post by coldbluice
It is a historical fact Sri BrahmanandaJi passed away on May 23, 1954,
and "will" was published on June 8, 1954.
On June 12, 1954 Swami Shantinanda-(Sri BrahmanandaJi's cook) was
"installed" as head. I told you I would answer your question, soon. The
co-conspirator the cook (Swami Shantinanda) conspired with Brahmachari
Mahesh.
Now I will answer for you, the question I had posed earlier-, "Please
tell us Willyex-, who *exactly* were the *qualified* parties that
installed Swami Shantananda?
No one!..Swami Shantinanda had taken over has "head" of Jysoimutt based
upon a "so-called will".
It is a fact that Swami Shantinanda *WAS NOT* "installed" by the
"ashram trust"(Bharat Dharma Mahamandal, who had originally created the
trust).
In fact the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal, claimed they had, (at the time
of the establishing of the Jyotir Math trust), reserved the right to
decide who ascended as "head" if succession ever became an issue.
So, on June 25, 1953 Sri Swami Krishnabodha Asrama was installed as
"head" of Jyosimutt.
This is exactly what I had posted on..
From: coldbluice - view profile
Date: Fri, Sep 8 2006 11:43 am
'"...The fact is- *only Swami Shatananda's "claim" was disputed in
court.*
And the judge in that specific case agreed with the original
determination that- "Shantananda was not properly qualified," to
succeed Sri BrahmanandaJi."
We both well know the "so-called will" was never "probated".
As I have stated from very beginning (June of 2000) in the early
sixties the ashram trust-(Bharat Dharma Mahamandal) obtained
permission of the Advocate general in Allahabad to file a suit under
s.92 of the Civil Procedure Code (instituted by the British in 1908)
against Swami Shantinanda.
This case, first heard in District court at Seoni, was brought
forward in the name of Swami Paramatmananda, the fourth person named in
the disputed will, along with three pandits, two of which, Mahdev
Sastra and Nagesh Upadyaya, were of the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal.
We both know on seperate occasions Swami Swaroopananda had taken this
issue to court..according to Dana Swayer
1). Immediately after Swami Shantananda's abdication, the Krisnhabodh
Asrama camp, now led by Swami Swaroopananda, launched a new court case.
In this new tactic, Swami Swaroopananda initiated Dwarka Prasad
Shastri, the second named person in Sri BrahmanandaJi's disputed
will, into sanyas, making him Dandi Swami Swami Dwarikeshananda
Saraswati. The idea here was that they would plead that he, as the
second named person in the disputed will should proceed to the "head"
of Jysoimutt after Swami Shantananda ahead of the third named person
who had been Swami Vishnudevananda.
So even though they believed the will had been a forgery, they would
use it against the rival camp, and then the new swami would simply
abdicate to Swami Swaroopananda, whom he endorsed. However, the new
swami died before the case was ever tried.
2). In 1989 a when Swami Vishnudevananda died. A new case was launched
by Swami Swaroopananda (case # 513, filed at Allahabad) this time
aimed at Swami Vasudevananda, the inheritor of Santananda's math and
his diksa disciple, who possesses a will of Vishnudevananda's giving
the "title" to him.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
If your Swami and Karpatri
could prove there was a murder by Mr. Varma, why didn't they report it
to the police at the time?
My "Swami" departed and wanted nothing to do with the seat at
Jyosimutt.
As far as Swami Hariharananda Saraswati (known as Karpatri Swamiji) is
concerned He also had no desire to head Jyosimutt). He (as you know)
declined the original offer in 1941 and nominated his Guru- Sri
BrahamandaJi.
However, Karpatri Swamiji and the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal with the
Kashi Vidvat Parishad nominated Swami Krishnabodha Asrama on June25,
1953 to head Jyosimutt.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
And why isn't there any mention of a
Shankaracharya ever being posioned to death in any of the seven major
Indian media outlets? Wouldn't this be newsworthy?
As it was told to me-, "Sri BrahmanandaJi knew of His final demise and
choose to do nothing to prevent it.
As, He believed it was His- leshavidya / destiny to undergo this
terrible death by poisoning.
Apprently He was well aware of what was happening, and about to happen.
So He just let (the conspirators kill Him) as a final end to His life
here on earth.
Post by w***@yahoo.com
So, why are you the only person on the planet pushing this agenda?
I am not pushing any "agenda".
I am just sharing with you a valuable lesson.
Why do you withhold information?
I have not been "discredited" I present information from the other side
of the fence.
The "so-called will" was contested from the beginning, as we both
know!!
As I posted here 6 years ago Lil Mishmashi Shristava Prasad Varmit will
die completely *fallen & in dis-grace* while living in exile in Holland
far from his former ashram, he will have accomplished nothing. Excpt
fleecing gullible westerners out of thier money, and murdering his
master (along with the ashram cook - Swami Shantinanda) to get a the
chest of money under Sri BrahmanandaJi's bed.
Very soon you will have all the information you need.
Send it to me right away, along with the $250 you still owe me!
w***@yahoo.com
2006-09-11 21:21:18 UTC
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Post by coldbluice
He will be here Sept. 22 lets see you go interview him.
For what purpose?
coldbluice
2006-09-12 13:26:26 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
Post by coldbluice
He will be here Sept. 22
lets see you go interview Him.
For what
purpose?
To demonstrate that- You have never talked at any length (or
"interviewed") Him on this very subject!

And, furthermore He will not talk to you personally on this subject.
pundit_moderator
2006-09-12 20:59:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by coldbluice
And, furthermore He will not talk to you personally on this subject.
Well, I wouldn't want to embarass an old man in front of all the
sock-puppets at Barsana, and anyway, I'm not interested in starting a
dialog with a quasi-dualistic liar who spreads false rumors about other
holy men in order to get money from unsuspecting young people so that
he can live a life of ease and comfort at other people's expense. What
happened to all the money?
coldbluice
2006-09-13 00:33:08 UTC
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Post by pundit_moderator
Post by coldbluice
And, furthermore He will not talk to you personally on this subject.
Well, I wouldn't want to embarass an old man in front of all the
sock-puppets at Barsana
There are not any "sock puppets" there.
Post by pundit_moderator
and anyway, I'm not interested in starting a
dialog with a quasi-dualistic liar
I beg your pardon. Careful there BOY
Post by pundit_moderator
who spreads false rumors about other
holy men
My Sri Swamiji never said who killed Sri BrahmanandaJi. Or that He was
poisoned.

I am telling you -- the ashram cook conspired with Lil Mishmashi Prasad
Vomit to kill Sri BrahmanandaJi and cleverly forged His "so-called
will" to take control of the ashram and its wealth.
Post by pundit_moderator
in order to get money from unsuspecting young people so that
he can live a life of ease and comfort at other people's expense.
What
happened to all the money?
pundit_moderator
2006-09-13 03:14:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
Well, I wouldn't want to embarass an old man in front of all the
sock-puppets at Barsana
There are not any "sock puppets" there.
There's at least one - Steve Perino, and apparently your gang-of-three.
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
and anyway, I'm not interested in starting a
dialog with a quasi-dualistic liar
I beg your pardon. Careful there BOY
Are you denying that you and the Swami are quasi-dualists?
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
who spreads false rumors about other holy men
My Sri Swamiji never said who killed Sri BrahmanandaJi. Or that He was
poisoned.
Your Swamiji said that the Adi Shankara was born before the historical
Buddha - everyone knows that Shankara was born AFTER the Buddha, you
two are idiots.
Post by coldbluice
I am telling you -- the ashram cook conspired with Lil Mishmashi Prasad
Vomit to kill Sri BrahmanandaJi and cleverly forged His "so-called
will" to take control of the ashram and its wealth.
You are a liar who never even met the Marshy and you never even
practiced TM. You're finished here - totally discredited - go get a job
and get back to work.
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
What happened to all the money?
What happened to all the money?
coldbluice
2006-09-13 15:41:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by pundit_moderator
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
Well, I wouldn't want to embarass an old man in front of all the
sock-puppets at Barsana
There are not any "sock puppets" there.
There's at least one - Steve Perino, and apparently your gang-of-three.
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
and anyway, I'm not interested in starting a
dialog with a quasi-dualistic liar
I beg your pardon. Careful there BOY
Are you denying that you and the Swami are quasi-dualists?
Post by coldbluice
Post by pundit_moderator
who spreads false rumors about other holy men
My Sri Swamiji never said who killed Sri BrahmanandaJi. Or that He was
poisoned.
Your Swamiji said that the Adi Shankara was born before the historical
Buddha -
everyone knows that Shankara was born AFTER the Buddha, you
two are idiots.
That is "everyone" who wants to *believe* that Adi Shankar "was born
AFTER the Buddha".
Post by pundit_moderator
Post by coldbluice
I am telling you -- the ashram cook conspired with Lil Mishmashi Prasad
Vomit to kill Sri BrahmanandaJi and cleverly forged His "so-called
will" to take control of the ashram and its wealth.
You are a liar who never even met the Marshy and you never even
practiced TM.
Ya sure. More name-calling and disparaging statements directed at me.

You cannot even *INTELLIGENTLY* debate the facts.
Post by pundit_moderator
You're finished here - totally discredited - go get a job
I have a job thank you. And, I earn 2x as much as you do.
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and get back to work.
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What happened to all the money?
What happened to all the money?
Charitable hospitals in Manghar & Vrindavan & new one in Barsana
village India.

And, a few large temples here and there.
p***@gmail.com
2006-09-15 02:31:49 UTC
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What happened to all the money?
Charitable hospitals in Manghar & Vrindavan & new one in Barsana
village India.
And, a few large temples here and there.
So, your swami sent almost all the money back to India to his relatives
so that they could live a life of ease.
coldbluice
2006-09-15 12:58:52 UTC
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What happened to all the money?
Charitable hospitals in Manghar & Vrindavan & new one in Barsana
village India.
And, a few large temples here and there.
So, your swami sent almost all the money back to India to his relatives
so that they could live a life of ease.
Willytex, you know my Sri SwamiJi has no family or living relatives.
What has this to do with Swami Vasudevananda?
pundit_moderator
2006-09-20 22:41:47 UTC
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So, your swami sent almost all the money back to India to his relatives
so that they could live a life of ease.
Willytex, you know my Sri SwamiJi has no family or living relatives.
So, you're saying that your Swami has no family or living relatives
that he will admit to.
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What has this to do with Swami Vasudevananda?
Swami Vasudevananda has lots of living relatives and so does the Mahesh
Yogi - Yogi sends lots of money back to India for his relatives. What's
up with your Swami that he is so tight with the money that he won't
share?
coldbluice
2006-09-21 15:10:23 UTC
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So, your swami sent almost all the money back to India to his relatives
so that they could live a life of ease.
Willytex, you know my Sri SwamiJi has no family or living relatives.
So, you're saying that your Swami has no family or living relatives
that he will admit to.
No I am saying He has no living relatives.
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What has this to do with Swami Vasudevananda?
Swami Vasudevananda has lots of living relatives
So what did your source at Maine College of Art have to say on the
issue of -,
"Shankaracharya Vasudevanand Saraswati" ?
(as that is the topic of this thread)
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.."Didn't get to Allahabad to interview Vasudevananda;
couldn't justify the
time away from interviewing dandis.
He's such a persona nongrata since the court
prevented him from
saying his the Shankaracarya in public.
I've been to twenty-two of the thirty-eight dandi maths in
Banaras already, and I can't find even one
supporter of his
position in the whole lot..."
Dana from Benares --
repost form Sun, 27 Mar 2005 04:02:17 -0800
From Dana Sawyer in Banaras
and so does the Mahesh
Yogi - Yogi sends lots of money back to India for his relatives. What's
up with your Swami that he is so tight with the money that he won't
share?
pundit_moderator
2006-09-21 23:21:39 UTC
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So what did your source at Maine College of Art have to say
on the issue of - "Shankaracharya Vasudevanand Saraswati"?
That when he was in India he never met the Shankaracharya Vasudevanand
Saraswati and never even visited the Jyotirmath Ashram in the
Himalayas? Dana Sawyer at Maine College of Art failed to mention that
one of the leading dandis, Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati, has been
accused of murder and has been totally discredited in the Indian press.
What have you got to say about that?

Why are you attempting to withhold information from this forum? And
Dana failed to mention that another dandi, Swaroopanand, has been
accused of stealing from the Jyotirmath Ashram. What's up with you two
that you can't even post the lastest news?

PONDICHERRY: A local court on Monday posted the hearing in the
Shankararaman murder case, in which the Kanchi seers are allegedly
involved, to October 9 following a Supreme Court order staying further
trial.

Read more:

'Shankararaman case: Hearing posted to Oct 9'
Times of India, September 18, 2006
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2003078.cms

JOSHIMATH: Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of
Swami Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and
silver utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout.

Read more:

'Shankaracharya followers accused of stealing'
Rediff, March 29, 2005
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm
coldbluice
2006-09-24 04:44:33 UTC
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So what did your source at Maine College of Art have to say
on the issue of - "Shankaracharya Vasudevanand Saraswati"?
That when he was in India he never met the Shankaracharya Vasudevanand
Saraswati and never even visited the Jyotirmath Ashram in the
Himalayas?
Dana Sawyer at Maine College of Art failed to mention that
one of the leading dandis, Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati, has been
accused of murder and has been totally discredited in the Indian press.
What have you got to say about that?
In the meantime, it is a moot point.
Vasudevananda cannot travel
as the Shankaracarya or present himself as such.
The war is over
and Swarupananda owns the position;
Why are you attempting to withhold information from this forum?
Willytex you are withholding information
In fact Dana Sawyer waxed you real good..
over at Fairfield Life..
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In the meantime, it is a moot point.
Vasudevananda cannot travel
as the Shankaracarya or present himself as such.
The war is over
and Swarupananda owns the position..
But did they contest the will?
I don't think so - according to
Svarupanand, in the Kropinsky interview,
Brahmanand's will wasn't an
issue, only the fitness of the candidate, Shantanand.
Several errors here.
First, yes, they did contest the will.
In fact they have contested the will in court twice
(and note this: the chief lawyer defending the authenticity of the
will in both cases was the person now called Vasudevananda.
Isn't that interesting? If you don't believe me,
get someone to check for you at the district court in Allahbad).
But they didn't do so until their ploy to dethrone
Shantananda on grounds of unfitness failed.
What did you read?
Please be specific.
All eye witnesses that I interviewed in 1988, including six swamis,
claimed that Brahmananda was
not lucid during the last two days of his life and
had been very sick for more than ten days...
Apparently the will was never contested in court and
at the time no accusations were made.
Contesting a signed will is difficult in any country, let alone India.
But an immediate case was filed with the court on the grounds that
Shantananda was a poor candidate by the very same people
who had appointed Brahmananda to the seat.
Isn't that at all interesting or compelling to you?
And
Dana failed to mention that another dandi, Swaroopanand, has been
accused of stealing from the Jyotirmath Ashram.
In the meantime, it is a moot point.
Vasudevananda cannot travel
as the Shankaracarya or present himself as such.
The war is over
and Swarupananda owns the position
What's up with you two
that you can't even post the lastest news?
Thats was some of Swami Swaroopananda's followers accused of stealing.
Can't you read?
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JOSHIMATH: Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of
Swami Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and
silver utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout.
Several errors here.
First, yes, they did contest the will.
In fact they have contested the will in court twice
(and note this: the chief lawyer defending the authenticity of the
will in both cases was the person now called Vasudevananda.
Isn't that interesting? If you don't believe me,
get someone to check for you at the district court in Allahbad).
pundit_moderator
2006-10-06 21:04:09 UTC
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In fact Dana Sawyer waxed you real good over at Fairfield Life.
Dana Sawyer has never been a respondent on Yahoo! FairfieldLife, but I
posted an extensive rebuttal to his claims here on a.m.t.
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JOSHIMATH: Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati on Tuesday said followers of
Swami Swarupananda Saraswati stole ornaments of Goddess Purnagiri and
silver utensils when the Peeth was under a lockout.
Maybe it's time for you and Dana to start posting some real news
instead of making things up all the time. Why didn't you tell us that
the Swami of Kanchi Mutt has been accused of murder and that the Swami
of Dwarka Mutt has been accused of stealing? Don't you two read the
newspapers?

Premanand
2006-08-25 22:27:22 UTC
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Ludhiana Tribune
Misinterpretation of religion led to terrorism: seer
Mahesh Sharma
Mandi Ahmedgarh, September 10 2005
None less than Jagat Guru Shankaracharya Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati,
chief of the Jyotirmath Badrika Peeth, one of the four revered maths in
the country, is of the firm opinion that terrorism has its genesis in
the wrong interpretation of the scriptures of any religion and this
demon can only be contained when religious figures shed their biases
and spread the true message of the ancient sages and prophets.
In an exclusive interview with Ludhiana Tribune, the Shankracharya, who
was attending a function in the vicnity of the town, claimed that
terrorism was a global phenomenon and efforts to eradicate it had
proved futile so far.
"It is high time that the rulers should understand that terrorism has
its genesis in the misinterpretation of religion and cannot be curbed
with force. No force in the world is mighty enough to crush any violent
separatist movement which has a casteist base. But it would subside
when our dharam gurus start interpreting and presenting religious
matters in the right manner and spirit," he stressed.
The middle-aged saint claimed that the concept of 'Vasudev Kutubmkam'
propagated by the Peeth inculcated a sense of universal fraternity and
made everybody feel that the whole world is ours. "Once we achieve this
target, terrorism will have no existence at all," he pointed out.
On the issue of reports of certain misdeeds by some highly revered
religious preachers and leaders in the recent years, the swami held
that it was under the purview of the government to implement the norms
formulated by the religious bodies. "We have never supported those
people who had been exploiting the supremacy of their religious
position. At the same time we expect that people should differentiate
between the genuine preachers and those who have been exploiting
religious sentiments of innocent persons," said Swami Vasudevanand.
Responding to a query, the swami admitted that the apparent decline in
the interest of Hindus in the Sanatan Dharma was due to faulty
education system, impact of westernisation and blind faith in
mushrooming sects. 'Moreover, the Sanatan Dharma, with largest number
of followers, have grown to the extent where everybody cannot afford to
follow rituals in everyday life. Otherwise, they believe in their
origin and practice their dharma only,' the swami added.
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