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Mantra as a quasi-morpheme
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w***@yahoo.com
2006-01-10 20:41:15 UTC
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Making use of skill in means, Shakya the Muni would have taught the
most effective means of transcending for each individual. According to
Lama Govinda (Hans Hoffman) the Shakya often gave mantras for
meditation. In fact, the whole of the Tibetan Mahayana tradition is
based on the mantra 'Om Mani Padme Hum,' a fact so apparent that the
Lama Govinda wrote a whole book concerned with this one mantra.
('Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism', Rider 1964).

Bija mantras are non-ideational mnemonic devices used for experiencing
the subtle states of consciousness. Used in this way they are an
intelligent way to awakenening. Bija mantra meditation is precisely
what the Buddha taught.

A bija mantra, in fact, is the primary sound of the universe as
perceived by humans, called shabd in Sanskrit. Shabd is none other than
Vac, the first primal sound as human speech personified as Tara.
However, for clarity, here is a definition of mantra, according to
Swami Ageananda Bharati:

"A mantra is a quasi-morpheme or a series of quasi-morphemes, or a
series of mixed genuine and quasi-morphemes arranged in conventional
patterns, based on codified esoteric traditions, and passed on from one
preceptor to one disciple in the course of a prescribed initiation
ritual."

According to Swami Ageananda, this definition does not include any
reference to the purpose or purposes of mantra, for the statement of
purpose is a material statement, which must be excluded from a
definition, which is a set of formal propositions of exception less
validity. If there is a single exception to a statement, then that
statement forfeits its claim to being a definition. As there is a
conceivable exception with regard to the purpose of mantra, purpose
could not be included ('The Tantric Tradition' Rider, 1965).
Julian
2006-01-10 20:46:16 UTC
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Making use of skill in means, Shakya the Muni would have taught the
most effective means of transcending for each individual. According to
Lama Govinda (Hans Hoffman) the Shakya often gave mantras for
meditation. In fact, the whole of the Tibetan Mahayana tradition is
based on the mantra 'Om Mani Padme Hum,' a fact so apparent that the
Lama Govinda wrote a whole book concerned with this one mantra.
('Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism', Rider 1964).
Bija mantras are non-ideational mnemonic devices used for experiencing
the subtle states of consciousness. Used in this way they are an
intelligent way to awakenening. Bija mantra meditation is precisely
what the Buddha taught.
A bija mantra, in fact, is the primary sound of the universe as
perceived by humans, called shabd in Sanskrit. Shabd is none other than
Vac, the first primal sound as human speech personified as Tara.
However, for clarity, here is a definition of mantra, according to
"A mantra is a quasi-morpheme or a series of quasi-morphemes, or a
series of mixed genuine and quasi-morphemes arranged in conventional
patterns, based on codified esoteric traditions, and passed on from one
preceptor to one disciple in the course of a prescribed initiation
ritual."
According to Swami Ageananda, this definition does not include any
reference to the purpose or purposes of mantra, for the statement of
purpose is a material statement, which must be excluded from a
definition, which is a set of formal propositions of exception less
validity. If there is a single exception to a statement, then that
statement forfeits its claim to being a definition. As there is a
conceivable exception with regard to the purpose of mantra, purpose
could not be included ('The Tantric Tradition' Rider, 1965).
Have you met Curly and his chums?

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w***@yahoo.com
2006-01-11 03:40:40 UTC
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"A mantra is a quasi-morpheme or a series of quasi-morphemes, or a
series of mixed genuine and quasi-morphemes arranged in conventional
patterns, based on codified esoteric traditions, and passed on from one
preceptor to one disciple in the course of a prescribed initiation ritual."
Have you met Curly and his chums?
This definition does not include any reference to the purpose or
purposes of mantra, for the statement of purpose is a material
statement, which must be excluded from a definition, which is a set of
formal propositions of exceptionless validity.
Julian
2006-01-11 07:19:02 UTC
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"A mantra is a quasi-morpheme or a series of quasi-morphemes, or a
series of mixed genuine and quasi-morphemes arranged in conventional
patterns, based on codified esoteric traditions, and passed on from one
preceptor to one disciple in the course of a prescribed initiation ritual."
Have you met Curly and his chums?
This definition does not include any reference to the purpose or
purposes of mantra, for the statement of purpose is a material
statement, which must be excluded from a definition, which is a set of
formal propositions of exceptionless validity.
Yes, dear.

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w***@yahoo.com
2006-01-11 16:04:28 UTC
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This definition does not include any reference to the purpose or
purposes of mantra, for the statement of purpose is a material
statement, which must be excluded from a definition, which is a set of
formal propositions of exceptionless validity.
Yes, dear.
So, Julian, can you think of an exception to the definition?
>2
2006-01-11 17:11:32 UTC
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This definition does not include any reference to the purpose or
purposes of mantra, for the statement of purpose is a material
statement, which must be excluded from a definition, which is a set of
formal propositions of exceptionless validity.
Yes, dear.
So, Julian, can you think of an exception to the definition?
Please be more specific?
What, exactly, are you crossposting to TRB for?

Apart from TRB starting with a T and ending with an M
I don't understand the link between your product and Buddhism.

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Julian
2006-01-11 17:22:03 UTC
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This definition does not include any reference to the purpose or
purposes of mantra, for the statement of purpose is a material
statement, which must be excluded from a definition, which is a set of
formal propositions of exceptionless validity.
Yes, dear.
So, Julian, can you think of an exception to the definition?
Please be more specific?
What, exactly, are you crossposting to TRB for?

Apart from TRB starting with a T and ending with an M
I don't understand the link between your product and Buddhism.

Elected Govenor General - TRB
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w***@yahoo.com
2006-01-12 04:16:43 UTC
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What, exactly, are you crossposting to TRB for?
You are posting over here, Sir. But the consideration is that both the
Hindu and Buddhist, including Tibetan, traditions practice the
mantrayana. What I'm trying to get at is what, exactly, is a mantra,
and what is it's purpose? But first I'd like to discuss the definition
of the term mantra, so that we all know what we're talking about. Can
you think of an exception to the proposed definition by Swami Ageananda?
j***@panix.com
2006-01-12 04:40:05 UTC
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Julian wrote:
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Please be more specific?
What, exactly, are you crossposting to TRB for?
Willytex is a troll. If you ignore him, he'll go away.
w***@yahoo.com
2006-01-12 04:47:15 UTC
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Willytex is a troll.
Judy just got here and already she thinks she owns the place! There are
no rules on Usenet - anyone can post anything they want to. Is it
alright with you, Ms Stein, if I dialog with Julian, just for about a
minute or two, without you opening your big pie hole and trying to take
over the conversation? Just for one minute?
Post by j***@panix.com
If you ignore him, he'll go away.
Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is loosing a
debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort (most
difficult for the ego) is to consider that he or she might be wrong.
j***@panix.com
2006-01-12 14:41:21 UTC
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Willytex is a troll.
Judy just got here
No, actually I've been on alt.meditation.transcendental for over
10 years.



and already she thinks she owns the place! There are
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no rules on Usenet - anyone can post anything they want to. Is it
alright with you, Ms Stein, if I dialog with Julian, just for about a
minute or two, without you opening your big pie hole and trying to take
over the conversation? Just for one minute?
Post by j***@panix.com
If you ignore him, he'll go away.
Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is loosing a
debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort (most
difficult for the ego) is to consider that he or she might be wrong.
WillyTex
2019-10-21 22:39:40 UTC
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Judy just got here
No, actually I've been on alt.meditation.transcendental for over
10 years.
What happened to the time?

Julian
2006-01-12 09:18:21 UTC
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Please be more specific?
What, exactly, are you crossposting to TRB for?
Willytex is a troll. If you ignore him, he'll go away.
Have you read 'The Prince' by Machiavelli?
http://www.constitution.org/mac/prince00.htm

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