Mantras during TM have use?

Post by Lawson English
In other words, the effect of a specific mantra may become quite
important in this situation, as opposed to during normal waking-state
thought processes. TM mantras apparently are selected according to the
age a person learns and/or gender, and this may actually help determine
what effect the use of the mantra may have in the long-term changes of
connectivity due to the experience of "transcendental consciousness,"
which is associated with the reduction in thalamic activity during TM.
Certainly age and gender are known to have effects on neural processes
in general, so basing mantra selection on age and gender doesn't
require some radical shift in our understanding of the brain to explain
the potential relevance of this traditional selection-process.
Just some rambling thoughts.

Would that mean as a person ages they should be getting different mantras?

--
~Stu

Lawson English

2006-08-12 02:58:21 UTC

Post by Lawson English
In other words, the effect of a specific mantra may become quite
important in this situation, as opposed to during normal waking-state
thought processes. TM mantras apparently are selected according to the
age a person learns and/or gender, and this may actually help
determine what effect the use of the mantra may have in the long-term
changes of connectivity due to the experience of "transcendental
consciousness," which is associated with the reduction in thalamic
activity during TM. Certainly age and gender are known to have effects
on neural processes in general, so basing mantra selection on age and
gender doesn't require some radical shift in our understanding of the
brain to explain the potential relevance of this traditional
selection-process.
Just some rambling thoughts.

Would that mean as a person ages they should be getting different mantras?

The TM tradition is that you only learn TM once, so your basic mantra
would remain unchanged. What I was thinking was that perhaps there's
some initial effect of the mantra that is self-modifying in some sense
as the person gets older, but that the choice of the original mantra
guides all future changes that take place. The changes that the mantra
brings about mature along with the meditator.

Stu

2006-08-12 04:12:00 UTC

Would that mean as a person ages they should be getting different mantras?

Seems contradictory to me. Age specific mantras have age specific
effects. But this whole mantra thing seems superstitious like
astrology. I tend to think that the mantra is not as important as the
process. The process does change with time. As one's practice
continues certain neural pathways are exercised and strengthened - this
in turn would modify the actions brought on by the meditation practice.
Just as one can sharpen their abilities with practice, as in playing
an instrument or learning a sport. I certainly sense that the
experience I have while meditating today is very different than the
experience 30 years ago. The type of mantra I use doesn't apparently
have any effect on my perceived experience. I would think after 30
years I have cultured some sort of discernment in this practice.

Do you get a different effect from meditation if you change the mantra?
Has there been any studies that indicate a real difference in brain
states determined by specific mantra? With time, doesn't the mantra
become more and more subtle until it just becomes Aum?

Candice Pert, a TMer, discusses this in part in her book "Molecules of
Emotion". She sees the brain as a "bag of hormones" with the
prefrontal cortex's primary task as executive running the movement of
neurotransmitters. Meditation works to strengthen and align this
executive function.

These new neural pathways could lead to reduced the activity of the
thalamus. If this is a good thing, the brains executive functions
naturally recognizes the improvement and continues the implementation.

You should read:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684846349/sr=8-2/qid=1155355146/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-5918870-4320837?ie=UTF8

Not

sure if you are familiar with her. She discovered the "morphine
receptors" in early studies that gave rise to the discovery of
endorphins. Came close to getting a Nobel for that. She spent a good
part of her life studying neurotransmitters at the NIMH. In the early
80's she was initiated into TM invited by Dr. Chopra. More recently
she has become a spiritual lecturer. She was one of the talking heads
in "What the (Bleep)...?"

--
~Stu

Bhairitu

2006-08-12 16:46:06 UTC

Post by Lawson English
In other words, the effect of a specific mantra may become quite
important in this situation, as opposed to during normal
waking-state thought processes. TM mantras apparently are selected
according to the age a person learns and/or gender, and this may
actually help determine what effect the use of the mantra may have
in the long-term changes of connectivity due to the experience of
"transcendental consciousness," which is associated with the
reduction in thalamic activity during TM. Certainly age and gender
are known to have effects on neural processes in general, so basing
mantra selection on age and gender doesn't require some radical
shift in our understanding of the brain to explain the potential
relevance of this traditional selection-process.
Just some rambling thoughts.

Would that mean as a person ages they should be getting different mantras?

Seems contradictory to me. Age specific mantras have age specific
effects. But this whole mantra thing seems superstitious like
astrology. I tend to think that the mantra is not as important as the
process. The process does change with time. As one's practice
continues certain neural pathways are exercised and strengthened - this
in turn would modify the actions brought on by the meditation practice.
Just as one can sharpen their abilities with practice, as in playing an
instrument or learning a sport. I certainly sense that the experience I
have while meditating today is very different than the experience 30
years ago. The type of mantra I use doesn't apparently have any effect
on my perceived experience. I would think after 30 years I have
cultured some sort of discernment in this practice.
Do you get a different effect from meditation if you change the mantra?
Has there been any studies that indicate a real difference in brain
states determined by specific mantra? With time, doesn't the mantra
become more and more subtle until it just becomes Aum?
Candice Pert, a TMer, discusses this in part in her book "Molecules of
Emotion". She sees the brain as a "bag of hormones" with the prefrontal
cortex's primary task as executive running the movement of
neurotransmitters. Meditation works to strengthen and align this
executive function.
These new neural pathways could lead to reduced the activity of the
thalamus. If this is a good thing, the brains executive functions
naturally recognizes the improvement and continues the implementation.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684846349/sr=8-2/qid=1155355146/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-5918870-4320837?ie=UTF8
Not
sure if you are familiar with her. She discovered the "morphine
receptors" in early studies that gave rise to the discovery of
endorphins. Came close to getting a Nobel for that. She spent a good
part of her life studying neurotransmitters at the NIMH. In the early
80's she was initiated into TM invited by Dr. Chopra. More recently she
has become a spiritual lecturer. She was one of the talking heads in
"What the (Bleep)...?"

Generally in other traditions you don't change the mantra especially if
given a guru mantra as that is used for life. However during certain
situations the guru might give you a remedial mantra such as a planetary
mantra to get you through that period.

John Manning

2006-08-12 16:54:47 UTC

Post by Lawson English
In other words, the effect of a specific mantra may become quite
important in this situation, as opposed to during normal
waking-state thought processes. TM mantras apparently are selected
according to the age a person learns and/or gender, and this may
actually help determine what effect the use of the mantra may have
in the long-term changes of connectivity due to the experience of
"transcendental consciousness," which is associated with the
reduction in thalamic activity during TM. Certainly age and gender
are known to have effects on neural processes in general, so basing
mantra selection on age and gender doesn't require some radical
shift in our understanding of the brain to explain the potential
relevance of this traditional selection-process.
Just some rambling thoughts.

Would that mean as a person ages they should be getting different mantras?

The TM tradition is that you only learn TM once, so your basic mantra
would remain unchanged. What I was thinking was that perhaps there's
some initial effect of the mantra that is self-modifying in some
sense as the person gets older, but that the choice of the original
mantra guides all future changes that take place. The changes that
the mantra brings about mature along with the meditator.

Seems contradictory to me. Age specific mantras have age specific
effects. But this whole mantra thing seems superstitious like
astrology. I tend to think that the mantra is not as important as the
process. The process does change with time. As one's practice
continues certain neural pathways are exercised and strengthened -
this in turn would modify the actions brought on by the meditation
practice. Just as one can sharpen their abilities with practice, as in
playing an instrument or learning a sport. I certainly sense that the
experience I have while meditating today is very different than the
experience 30 years ago. The type of mantra I use doesn't apparently
have any effect on my perceived experience. I would think after 30
years I have cultured some sort of discernment in this practice.
Do you get a different effect from meditation if you change the
mantra? Has there been any studies that indicate a real difference in
brain states determined by specific mantra? With time, doesn't the
mantra become more and more subtle until it just becomes Aum?
Candice Pert, a TMer, discusses this in part in her book "Molecules of
Emotion". She sees the brain as a "bag of hormones" with the
prefrontal cortex's primary task as executive running the movement of
neurotransmitters. Meditation works to strengthen and align this
executive function.
These new neural pathways could lead to reduced the activity of the
thalamus. If this is a good thing, the brains executive functions
naturally recognizes the improvement and continues the implementation.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684846349/sr=8-2/qid=1155355146/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-5918870-4320837?ie=UTF8
Not
sure if you are familiar with her. She discovered the "morphine
receptors" in early studies that gave rise to the discovery of
endorphins. Came close to getting a Nobel for that. She spent a good
part of her life studying neurotransmitters at the NIMH. In the early
80's she was initiated into TM invited by Dr. Chopra. More recently
she has become a spiritual lecturer. She was one of the talking heads
in "What the (Bleep)...?"

In TM there are additions to the mantras given in advanced techniques,
but the originally given mantra remains the same.

Bhairitu

2006-08-12 19:46:20 UTC

Post by John Manning

Post by Lawson English
In other words, the effect of a specific mantra may become quite
important in this situation, as opposed to during normal
waking-state thought processes. TM mantras apparently are selected
according to the age a person learns and/or gender, and this may
actually help determine what effect the use of the mantra may have
in the long-term changes of connectivity due to the experience of
"transcendental consciousness," which is associated with the
reduction in thalamic activity during TM. Certainly age and gender
are known to have effects on neural processes in general, so
basing mantra selection on age and gender doesn't require some
radical shift in our understanding of the brain to explain the
potential relevance of this traditional selection-process.
Just some rambling thoughts.

Would that mean as a person ages they should be getting different mantras?

The TM tradition is that you only learn TM once, so your basic
mantra would remain unchanged. What I was thinking was that perhaps
there's some initial effect of the mantra that is self-modifying in
some sense as the person gets older, but that the choice of the
original mantra guides all future changes that take place. The
changes that the mantra brings about mature along with the meditator.

Seems contradictory to me. Age specific mantras have age specific
effects. But this whole mantra thing seems superstitious like
astrology. I tend to think that the mantra is not as important as
the process. The process does change with time. As one's practice
continues certain neural pathways are exercised and strengthened -
this in turn would modify the actions brought on by the meditation
practice. Just as one can sharpen their abilities with practice, as
in playing an instrument or learning a sport. I certainly sense that
the experience I have while meditating today is very different than
the experience 30 years ago. The type of mantra I use doesn't
apparently have any effect on my perceived experience. I would think
after 30 years I have cultured some sort of discernment in this
practice.
Do you get a different effect from meditation if you change the
mantra? Has there been any studies that indicate a real difference in
brain states determined by specific mantra? With time, doesn't the
mantra become more and more subtle until it just becomes Aum?
Candice Pert, a TMer, discusses this in part in her book "Molecules
of Emotion". She sees the brain as a "bag of hormones" with the
prefrontal cortex's primary task as executive running the movement of
neurotransmitters. Meditation works to strengthen and align this
executive function.
These new neural pathways could lead to reduced the activity of the
thalamus. If this is a good thing, the brains executive functions
naturally recognizes the improvement and continues the implementation.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684846349/sr=8-2/qid=1155355146/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-5918870-4320837?ie=UTF8
Not
sure if you are familiar with her. She discovered the "morphine
receptors" in early studies that gave rise to the discovery of
endorphins. Came close to getting a Nobel for that. She spent a
good part of her life studying neurotransmitters at the NIMH. In the
early 80's she was initiated into TM invited by Dr. Chopra. More
recently she has become a spiritual lecturer. She was one of the
talking heads in "What the (Bleep)...?"

Generally in other traditions you don't change the mantra especially
if given a guru mantra as that is used for life. However during
certain situations the guru might give you a remedial mantra such as a
planetary mantra to get you through that period.

In TM there are additions to the mantras given in advanced techniques,
but the originally given mantra remains the same.

The advanced technique is a more tradition mantra without OM. The
additions are known as samput.

John Manning

2006-08-12 20:49:38 UTC

Post by John Manning

On 2006-08-11 17:30:12 -0700, Lawson English

Post by Lawson English
In other words, the effect of a specific mantra may become quite
important in this situation, as opposed to during normal
waking-state thought processes. TM mantras apparently are
selected according to the age a person learns and/or gender, and
this may actually help determine what effect the use of the
mantra may have in the long-term changes of connectivity due to
the experience of "transcendental consciousness," which is
associated with the reduction in thalamic activity during TM.
Certainly age and gender are known to have effects on neural
processes in general, so basing mantra selection on age and
gender doesn't require some radical shift in our understanding of
the brain to explain the potential relevance of this traditional
selection-process.
Just some rambling thoughts.

Would that mean as a person ages they should be getting different mantras?

The TM tradition is that you only learn TM once, so your basic
mantra would remain unchanged. What I was thinking was that perhaps
there's some initial effect of the mantra that is self-modifying in
some sense as the person gets older, but that the choice of the
original mantra guides all future changes that take place. The
changes that the mantra brings about mature along with the meditator.

Seems contradictory to me. Age specific mantras have age specific
effects. But this whole mantra thing seems superstitious like
astrology. I tend to think that the mantra is not as important as
the process. The process does change with time. As one's practice
continues certain neural pathways are exercised and strengthened -
this in turn would modify the actions brought on by the meditation
practice. Just as one can sharpen their abilities with practice, as
in playing an instrument or learning a sport. I certainly sense
that the experience I have while meditating today is very different
than the experience 30 years ago. The type of mantra I use doesn't
apparently have any effect on my perceived experience. I would
think after 30 years I have cultured some sort of discernment in
this practice.
Do you get a different effect from meditation if you change the
mantra? Has there been any studies that indicate a real difference
in brain states determined by specific mantra? With time, doesn't
the mantra become more and more subtle until it just becomes Aum?
Candice Pert, a TMer, discusses this in part in her book "Molecules
of Emotion". She sees the brain as a "bag of hormones" with the
prefrontal cortex's primary task as executive running the movement
of neurotransmitters. Meditation works to strengthen and align this
executive function.
These new neural pathways could lead to reduced the activity of the
thalamus. If this is a good thing, the brains executive functions
naturally recognizes the improvement and continues the implementation.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684846349/sr=8-2/qid=1155355146/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-5918870-4320837?ie=UTF8
Not
sure if you are familiar with her. She discovered the "morphine
receptors" in early studies that gave rise to the discovery of
endorphins. Came close to getting a Nobel for that. She spent a
good part of her life studying neurotransmitters at the NIMH. In
the early 80's she was initiated into TM invited by Dr. Chopra.
More recently she has become a spiritual lecturer. She was one of
the talking heads in "What the (Bleep)...?"

Generally in other traditions you don't change the mantra especially
if given a guru mantra as that is used for life. However during
certain situations the guru might give you a remedial mantra such as
a planetary mantra to get you through that period.

In TM there are additions to the mantras given in advanced techniques,
but the originally given mantra remains the same.

The advanced technique is a more tradition mantra without OM. The
additions are known as samput.

There are [were?] eight advanced TM techniques that I knew of - not
counting the TM Siddhi Program techniques. None of them make use of the
mantra 'OM'. I don't know if they are still being taught. I heard that
the TM 'night technique' was discontinued as it was too abstract for some.

Heather Frew

2022-06-24 20:25:20 UTC

Post by John Manning
There are [were?] eight advanced TM techniques that I knew of - not
counting the TM Siddhi Program techniques. None of them make use of the
mantra 'OM'. I don't know if they are still being taught. I heard that
the TM 'night technique' was discontinued as it was too abstract for some.

The night technique is still being taught

WillyTex

2022-10-07 00:03:56 UTC

Post by Heather Frew
The night technique is still being taught

It's a reference to the 'Night Technique', once taught by MMY, otherwise known as 'Laya Yoga' or 'Kundalini Yoga' which is a synthesis of Hatha Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, and Raja Yoga, first mentioned by Swami Sivananda Saraswati in 1935 in his book 'Kundalini Yoga'. Swami Sivananda Radha wrote that Kundalini yoga is the yoga of awareness, "it aims "to cultivate the creative spiritual potential of a human to uphold values, speak truth, and focus on the compassion and consciousness needed to serve and heal others." So, Laya Yoga is similar to MMYs Night Technique, apparently no longer taught, but which was one of the main components of MMYs series of 'advanced techniques'. Dream yoga is very popular in Tibetan Buddhism (see my recent post to this forum concerning lucid dreaming).

The purport of the passage is:

By resting your bija at the navel chakra or at the heaart chakra, the subtle currents from your istadevata will permeate your entire being. For example, my istadevata is Saraswati, the Goddess of Learning. By resting the bija portion of her name, that is, 'sring', at the navel chakra, my intelligence will grow by leaps and bounds, right while I'm sleeping. Then, when I awake in the morning I will feel refreshed and full of knowledge. It's that simple!

Most TMers only repeat the bija portion of their mantra when they are meditating. However, according to Swami Sivananda Radha, a bija mantra may be repeated during the first portions of sleep. For example, when I practice MMYs secret Night Technique I often fall asleep with the bija portion of my mantra still in mind. When practicing the Night Technique Satyanand advised me to be aware of the area just above my abdomen, (heart chakra) and to put my attention there and let it rest.

My take on this technique is to be aware of my bija mantra at the abdomen while in a sitting position and to gently fall into sleep as I form the corpse pose at the end of the day. So, all you have to do is be aware of the chakra, start the bija just like any other thought, then just babysit your bija for a few minutes, right on at your heart area. You just set it, and then forget it. This technique was confirmed to me by Vaj in a posting to FFL in 2005. It sure beats counting sheep!

Works cited:

'Kundalini Yoga for the West'
by Swami Sivananda Radha
(1979; 2nd ed. 1996)
pp. 13, 15

'Kundalini Yoga'
by Swami Sivananda
Divine Life Society, 1935
page 32

Biosoundbill

2006-08-12 22:50:52 UTC

Quote :- In TM there are additions to the mantras given in advanced
techniques,

Post by John Manning
but the originally given mantra remains the same.

***** Incorrect John -

If your original TM mantra was 'aing' it remains the same,but if your
original mantra was a two syllable mantra like 'shiring' pronounced
'shear-ing' it is actually converted to a one syllable mantra 'shring'
- ie 'shree shring namah'

Regards,

Billy

Post by John Manning

Post by Lawson English
In other words, the effect of a specific mantra may become quite
important in this situation, as opposed to during normal
waking-state thought processes. TM mantras apparently are selected
according to the age a person learns and/or gender, and this may
actually help determine what effect the use of the mantra may have
in the long-term changes of connectivity due to the experience of
"transcendental consciousness," which is associated with the
reduction in thalamic activity during TM. Certainly age and gender
are known to have effects on neural processes in general, so basing
mantra selection on age and gender doesn't require some radical
shift in our understanding of the brain to explain the potential
relevance of this traditional selection-process.
Just some rambling thoughts.

Would that mean as a person ages they should be getting different mantras?

The TM tradition is that you only learn TM once, so your basic mantra
would remain unchanged. What I was thinking was that perhaps there's
some initial effect of the mantra that is self-modifying in some
sense as the person gets older, but that the choice of the original
mantra guides all future changes that take place. The changes that
the mantra brings about mature along with the meditator.

Seems contradictory to me. Age specific mantras have age specific
effects. But this whole mantra thing seems superstitious like
astrology. I tend to think that the mantra is not as important as the
process. The process does change with time. As one's practice
continues certain neural pathways are exercised and strengthened -
this in turn would modify the actions brought on by the meditation
practice. Just as one can sharpen their abilities with practice, as in
playing an instrument or learning a sport. I certainly sense that the
experience I have while meditating today is very different than the
experience 30 years ago. The type of mantra I use doesn't apparently
have any effect on my perceived experience. I would think after 30
years I have cultured some sort of discernment in this practice.
Do you get a different effect from meditation if you change the
mantra? Has there been any studies that indicate a real difference in
brain states determined by specific mantra? With time, doesn't the
mantra become more and more subtle until it just becomes Aum?
Candice Pert, a TMer, discusses this in part in her book "Molecules of
Emotion". She sees the brain as a "bag of hormones" with the
prefrontal cortex's primary task as executive running the movement of
neurotransmitters. Meditation works to strengthen and align this
executive function.
These new neural pathways could lead to reduced the activity of the
thalamus. If this is a good thing, the brains executive functions
naturally recognizes the improvement and continues the implementation.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684846349/sr=8-2/qid=1155355146/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-5918870-4320837?ie=UTF8
Not
sure if you are familiar with her. She discovered the "morphine
receptors" in early studies that gave rise to the discovery of
endorphins. Came close to getting a Nobel for that. She spent a good
part of her life studying neurotransmitters at the NIMH. In the early
80's she was initiated into TM invited by Dr. Chopra. More recently
she has become a spiritual lecturer. She was one of the talking heads
in "What the (Bleep)...?"

In TM there are additions to the mantras given in advanced techniques,
but the originally given mantra remains the same.

Lawson English

2006-08-12 20:43:42 UTC

Post by Lawson English
In other words, the effect of a specific mantra may become quite
important in this situation, as opposed to during normal
waking-state thought processes. TM mantras apparently are selected
according to the age a person learns and/or gender, and this may
actually help determine what effect the use of the mantra may have
in the long-term changes of connectivity due to the experience of
"transcendental consciousness," which is associated with the
reduction in thalamic activity during TM. Certainly age and gender
are known to have effects on neural processes in general, so basing
mantra selection on age and gender doesn't require some radical
shift in our understanding of the brain to explain the potential
relevance of this traditional selection-process.
Just some rambling thoughts.

Would that mean as a person ages they should be getting different mantras?

Seems contradictory to me. Age specific mantras have age specific
effects. But this whole mantra thing seems superstitious like
astrology.

Quite possible. Patricia Carrington did some research on using different
mantras, but she never published it that I can find.

I tend to think that the mantra is not as important as the

Post by Stu
process. The process does change with time. As one's practice
continues certain neural pathways are exercised and strengthened - this
in turn would modify the actions brought on by the meditation practice.
Just as one can sharpen their abilities with practice, as in playing an
instrument or learning a sport. I certainly sense that the experience I
have while meditating today is very different than the experience 30
years ago. The type of mantra I use doesn't apparently have any effect
on my perceived experience. I would think after 30 years I have
cultured some sort of discernment in this practice.

Perhaps. I've been doing TM for 33 years now, and don't feel all that
perceptive, but YMMV.

Post by Stu
Do you get a different effect from meditation if you change the mantra?
Has there been any studies that indicate a real difference in brain
states determined by specific mantra?

Don't know about "states," but Dr. Carrington claimed she found
different affects on EEG patterns from using different mantras. She
mentioned it in her book, but I checked medline and there's no listing
of such a study.

With time, doesn't the mantra

Post by Stu
become more and more subtle until it just becomes Aum?

Again, perhaps.

Post by Stu
Candice Pert, a TMer, discusses this in part in her book "Molecules of
Emotion". She sees the brain as a "bag of hormones" with the prefrontal
cortex's primary task as executive running the movement of
neurotransmitters. Meditation works to strengthen and align this
executive function.

One theory I've seen lately is that the connectivity of the brain is
SOOO complex that the current connectionist theories don't do it
justice. The researcher, who is working on modeling 10,000 neurons and
their behavior, suggests that the activity of the brain serves to modify
the connections of the brain, but the connections themselves are the
most important part of neural processing, by far.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2874207418572601262&q=visual+cortex

Post by Stu
These new neural pathways could lead to reduced the activity of the
thalamus. If this is a good thing, the brains executive functions
naturally recognizes the improvement and continues the implementation.

It's not a matter of recognition of good or bad at this level.

Post by Stu
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684846349/sr=8-2/qid=1155355146/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-5918870-4320837?ie=UTF8
Not
sure if you are familiar with her. She discovered the "morphine
receptors" in early studies that gave rise to the discovery of
endorphins. Came close to getting a Nobel for that. She spent a good
part of her life studying neurotransmitters at the NIMH. In the early
80's she was initiated into TM invited by Dr. Chopra. More recently she
has become a spiritual lecturer. She was one of the talking heads in
"What the (Bleep)...?"

What the Bleep is kinda a silly movie, by all neutral accounts. It's
very sad that John Hagelin felt a need to associate himself wth it.

Stu

2006-08-13 00:01:34 UTC

On 2006-08-12 13:43:42 -0700, Lawson English <***@nowhere.none> said:

Thanks for the reply. I just got a subscription to Scientific American
Mind. Its been pretty good so far. Some of the articles are over my
head. Seems like we are on the verge of some terrific neurological
mapping that may lay to rest some of our speculations. Maybe 10 years
away.

I didn't know different mantras were related to different EEG patterns.
Seems like more research in that direction could be very valuable.
Could lead to actual prescriptions for specific situations like
bi-polar disorder or depression.

Post by Lawson English
What the Bleep is kinda a silly movie, by all neutral accounts. It's
very sad that John Hagelin felt a need to associate himself wth it.

I agree that "What the Bleep..." was silly. I don't agree with the
basic ontology of the film. Many of the talking heads in there were
interesting people though. I had a chance to listen to lectures by
physicist Dr. Quantum or Fred Wolf. He is a great optimistic
passionate speaker. Could have done without Ramtha.

Candice Pert on the other hand is the real deal. I highly suggest her
book. She is a well regarded pharmacologist with a specialization in
receptor cells. Much of the current cancer and AIDs research owes a
great debt to her pioneering studies. Plus she is into TM.

--
~Stu

robert roberts

2006-08-13 17:49:22 UTC

I've seen What The Bleep and it seemed to be a subtle promotional for
Ramtha.
I don't think that was intentional but she came across that way from my
perspective.

I have not heard why, but John Haglan is not included in What The Bleep II.

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I agree that "What the Bleep..." was silly. I don't agree with the basic
ontology of the film. Many of the talking heads in there were interesting
people though. I had a chance to listen to lectures by physicist Dr.
Quantum or Fred Wolf. He is a great optimistic passionate speaker. Could
have done without Ramtha.
Candice Pert on the other hand is the real deal. I highly suggest her
book. She is a well regarded pharmacologist with a specialization in
receptor cells. Much of the current cancer and AIDs research owes a great
debt to her pioneering studies. Plus she is into TM.
--
~Stu

John Manning

2006-08-13 19:13:56 UTC

[snip]

Post by Stu
Not
sure if you are familiar with her. She discovered the "morphine
receptors" in early studies that gave rise to the discovery of
endorphins. Came close to getting a Nobel for that. She spent a good
part of her life studying neurotransmitters at the NIMH. In the early
80's she was initiated into TM invited by Dr. Chopra. More recently
she has become a spiritual lecturer. She was one of the talking heads
in "What the (Bleep)...?"

What the Bleep is kinda a silly movie, by all neutral accounts. It's
very sad that John Hagelin felt a need to associate himself wth it.

Strange, but my wife got that DVD from the rental shop yesterday. I
thought it had some good, profound concepts but they didn't appear to me
to be put together cohesively for any really practical application. And
I agree that the way it was done was 'kinda silly'. I didn't like it
much. It reminded me of when Maharishi went 'scientific' with TM - [SCI,
etc]. That left me cold.

My wife thought it had some very good introductory concepts that would
appeal to the Western scientific mind that they would otherwise discard
had it been presented in only spiritual terms.

She was right. This morning we lent it to a very good friend in our
building. He's an atheistic urologist whose received governmental honors
for his selfless work in performing vasectomies for the poor. He seemed
genuinely impressed and amazed. Part of his positive response was
[roughly translated from Portuguese], "Wow!, I've never even thought of
some of those ideas!"

Lawson English

2006-08-14 07:12:25 UTC

Post by John Manning
[snip]

Post by Stu
Not
sure if you are familiar with her. She discovered the "morphine
receptors" in early studies that gave rise to the discovery of
endorphins. Came close to getting a Nobel for that. She spent a
good part of her life studying neurotransmitters at the NIMH. In the
early 80's she was initiated into TM invited by Dr. Chopra. More
recently she has become a spiritual lecturer. She was one of the
talking heads in "What the (Bleep)...?"

What the Bleep is kinda a silly movie, by all neutral accounts. It's
very sad that John Hagelin felt a need to associate himself wth it.

Strange, but my wife got that DVD from the rental shop yesterday. I
thought it had some good, profound concepts but they didn't appear to me
to be put together cohesively for any really practical application. And
I agree that the way it was done was 'kinda silly'. I didn't like it
much. It reminded me of when Maharishi went 'scientific' with TM - [SCI,
etc]. That left me cold.
My wife thought it had some very good introductory concepts that would
appeal to the Western scientific mind that they would otherwise discard
had it been presented in only spiritual terms.
She was right. This morning we lent it to a very good friend in our
building. He's an atheistic urologist whose received governmental honors
for his selfless work in performing vasectomies for the poor. He seemed
genuinely impressed and amazed. Part of his positive response was
[roughly translated from Portuguese], "Wow!, I've never even thought of
some of those ideas!"

If you've never been exposed to an idea before, even the most
superficial and error-laden presentation can sound profound.

WillyTex

2021-12-12 01:12:36 UTC

Post by Lawson English
If you've never been exposed to an idea before, even the most
superficial and error-laden presentation can sound profound.

What The Bleep Do We Know?

Dr. Natan Ophir

2022-10-09 09:10:21 UTC