...remove himsself from this forum.
Shemp - And all the other liars and cheats too! I'm sick and tired of
the these faceless anti-TMers posting all this garbage on this forum
and bashing the Maharishi and the President. I think it's time to
stand up and be counted - put your money where your mouth is or take a
Here's my comments, for anyone who's interested:
So Kindly You Say!
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By all accounts
So Kindly You Sayhttp://www.willytex.org/archives/maharishi/gurudeva2.htm
Apparently, the Swami Prakashanand Saraswati gave Robert Kropinsky a
'letter of intriduction' in order to get an audience with the Swami
Swaroopanand at Guru Dev's birtday celebration in Brindaban. But, when
the Swami Svaroop finds out that the Swami Prakash hosted a recent
VHP-America event, the Swaroop may wise up to the Prakash's game. For
sure the Prakash won't be invited to any more birthday party
celebrations at the Swaroops's house! The Swaroop is opposed to the
VHP and considers that rascally outfit to be nothing less than a gang
of terrorists and radical extremists.
I have spoken to the Maharaj Swami and he confirm this story.
So, how, exactly do you become a 'former' disciple of SwamiJi
Brahmannda, anyway? By visiting other saints and gurus, perhaps? : )
That figures - when you go visiting other Saints like the Swami
Prakashanand did, you probably feel like bashing your former guru -
you are a case in point. In some other cases, the term 'former
disciple' says it all, you know what I mean?
The 'former disciples' of Guru Dev, except the Swami Swaroopanand, are
all sock-puppits for the RSS - that's common knowledge. What the Swami
Swaroopanand was doing associating with those miscreants who support
the VHP is beyond me - Swaroop favors the Congress Party and is
staunchly opposed to your pals and their nefarious plans to turn India
into a religious, fundamentalist, Hindutva state.
There are probably two or three former disciples of Guru DevJi still
alive today - what's important is what the *current* disciples in the
disciplic lineage of Swami Brahmananda have to say.
It is a fact that the Swami Swaroopanand and the Swami Prakashanand
are no longer in the disciplic line of Guru Dev, having gone over to
adopt the teachings of other Saints, babas, and gurus. Swami
Vasudevananda Saraswati is currently the *sole representative Guru
Dev's lineage*, according to Vidyasankar Sundaresan. Vasudevananda was
present at the appointment of a Mahamandaleswara of the Mahanirvani
Akhada in 1995, according to Hinduism Today.
"Only the lineage of Vasudevananda (through Shantananda) can be traced
directly to Brahmananda, without any interruptions." - Vidyasankar
There is some very distressing facts related to the Swami
Prakashanand. For example, the Swami Prakash, apparently, went to
Jyotirmath, in 1950, and claims to have been initiated there. By whom
I would ask? Apparently, Guru Dev wasn't even at Jyotirmath in the
year 1950, according to Raj Varma, but was on tour in South India!
Prakash also makes the claim of having been 'offered the seat of the
Jyotirmath' in 1952 by a committee of pundits down in Kashi - a full
year before Guru Dev's untimely demise. That would have been news to
Guru Dev, who only passed away in 1953!
That would have really been something - a Shankaracharya who was only
22 years old, who had been a Sannyasi for less than a year, and who
had been in the presence of Guru Dev for probably a total of thirty
minutes in his whole life. Sounds like something a stupid committee of
politicaly motivated pundits down in Kashi would come with.
According to Mr. Sundaresan, "...although he was initiated into
Sannyasa by Brahmananda Saraswati, his personal religious philosophy
is Acintya Bhedabheda, associated with Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Gaudiya
Vaishnavas. This leads me to seriously suspect his claim of having
been offered the Sankaracharya post."
It is a fact that the Kashi Vidvat Parishad has attempted to place a
political puppet on the Jyotirmath seat on at least two separate
occasions after Guru Dev's passing - Swami Krishnabodha and Swami
Swaroopanad. Mr. Sundaresan notes "...the Kashi Vidvat Parishad and
the Akhila Bharatiya Dharmasangha have tried to exercise a right over
Jyotirmath for the third time."
However, there is one undisputed fact - neither Swaroopanand nor
Prakashanand's name was listed in Guru Dev's will. Another fact is
that in the Kropinsky interview Swami Swaroopanand does not deny the
validity of Guru Dev's will. In fact, "...none of the civil suits in
this dispute seems to have been framed in terms of contesting the
legal bona fides of Brahmananda's will" according to Mr. Sundaresan.
Fact is, a new lawsuit was filed, on the grounds that according to
Brahmananda's will, Dwarakesananda Saraswati should have been
appointed in case Shantananda stepped down! Thus, states Mr.
Sundaresan, "...notwithstanding what was privately thought about the
will and its legitimacy, its terms were co-opted, as a strategy to
However, it is not a fact that Guru Dev ordered the Brahmacharya
Mahesh to do anything, much less to 'go up to a mountain and never
come down'. Someone made that up - probably Joyce Collins-Smith.
However, the mere fact that the Brahmacharya Mahesh was 'called' by
Guru Dev, who was on his deathbed, says a lot about who Guru Dev
favored, does it not?
Apparently, the Brahmacharya Mahesh was with with Guru Dev at his
passing, but I don't know how *you* or anyone else would know what
Guru Dev said just before he attained Mahasamadhi. But, I doubt that a
Saint like Guru Dev would concern himself with the doings of mere
clerk, would he? In point of fact, Mahesh Yogi used to be Brahmananda
Saraswati's Ssecretary, according to my sources - so it would be
perfectly logical for Guru Dev to call for Mr. Varma (Bal
In point of fact, Guru Dev had composed a will over 2 years previously
and had it registered in Allahabad. But that's beside the point,
because Guru Dev's death was considered untimely, brought on by
natural causes, according to the attending physician and the coroners
report. If true, Guru Dev would hardly be calling a clerk, in the
middle of dying, in order to tell the clerk not to teach anything or
Besides, how a 'mere clerk' would come to be sitting beside a dying
Saint and carrying out his last instructions doesn't make much sense
unless Mahesh Yogi was much more than a clerk. It certainly boggles
the mind to imagine how a low-level clerk could somehow get an
audience with a fully-realized Saint sitting on his deathbed, then
somehow get ahold of Guru Dev's physical body, wrestle it away from
all the other Ashram inmates, put it on a train, and make all the
arrangements for the national funeral down in Kashi, then get Guru
Dev's last will and testament out of the Jyotirmath Trust at the
National Bank, where it was registered, and then go about installing
the succussor to the Shankaracharya Seat of the North, according to a
forged will. That's a real stretch for a mere clerk!
That is, unless Mahesh Yogi was much more than a mere clerk for
thirteen years. Apparently, Brahmacharya Mahesh was the Adminstrator
of the Jyotirmath Ashram Trust and it was the Brahmacharya Mahesh who
made all the arrangements for Guru Dev's tours and yagyas. That's not
surprising to me, in light of what Mahesh Yogi has been able to
accomplish for his own program, and that was starting from scratch!
Never let it be said that Maharishi doesn't know how to organize a
yoga camp! Apparenly, it was Bal Brahmacharya who was instumental in
introducing the President of India to Guru Dev. There's a famous photo
of Brahmacharya Mahesh standing next to the President of India - quite
a feat for a mere clerk, don't you think?
Maybe Brahmacharya Mahesh went to the Upper Kashi in order to relax
and enjoy. After all, thirteen years is a long time to be sitting at
someones feet, even if they were a Saint.
Maybe Guru Dev didn't 'command' anyone to do anything - who knows? It
hasn't been established that Guru DevJi commanded Brahmacharya Mahesh
to go into isolation - but it's obvious, at least to me, that
Brahmacharya Mahesh was probably the only person alive who could keep
up with the demands of serving such a dynamic teacher as Guru Dev was!
I wasn't there of course, but it seems to me that Brahmacharya Mahesh
was distrustful of some of the other disciples, and with good reason.
Imagine what would have happened if the Swami Prakash had been
appointed and accepted to the Jyotirmath seat by that committee -
you'd have a quasi-dualistic rasavada proponent sitting on the seat of
the non-dualist Shankaracharya, espousing anti-adwaita rhetoric. Now
that would be a topsy-tuvy chain of events! It's no wonder that the
Mahesh Yogi was eager to fulfill the stipulations in Guru Dev's will
In the case of the Shakaracharya it is the usual custom to follow the
disciplic succession. According to Mr. Sundaresan, "...once Swami
Brahmananda Saraswati was accepted as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya,
and there were no serious disputes about it at the time, further
activities of these other institutions with respect to succession
issues could be construed as unnecessary interference." I fully agree
with this, but you obviously do not.
A committee, (kashi vidvat parishad), founded by Madhvacharya?
You idoit! That's not the same Madhvaacharya, the dualist, who
composed the Sri Bhyasya. The Shankaracharya seats in India have
nothing to do with the Sri Vaishnava cult founded by Madhva which came
years later. You're confused, I think.
You are floating - this 'committee' of pundits has appointed no
Shankaracharya to any seat, ever. Pundit committees do not appoint
Saints, least of all do they declare a nobody to be a 'jagadguru', a
teacher to the world, over and above the other four jagadgurus, namely
Puri, Dwarka, Sringeri and Jyotirmath.. Get a grip!
"A few centuries ago, such problems would have
been referred to the local king, and perhaps
solved quickly. In independent India, the
dispute has been taken to the secular courts,
but these are quite different from the old
princely durbars in their procedures and rules.
The judges also lack legislative and executive
authority over religious institutions, unlike
the Hindu king of old days. It seems to me that
those who did not wish to acknowledge Santananda
as the Sankaracharya of Jyotirmath did not
sufficiently appreciate these changes in modern
times, and expected the courts to accept their
cultural, moral and religious arguments as legally
valid. Thus, none of the civil suits in this
dispute seems to have been framed in terms of
contesting the legal bona fides of Brahmananda's
will." - Vidyasankar Sundaresan
It's a moot point, since the Jyotirmath was vacant for 165 years or
more. Who knows what happened during that time? Apparently, the Rawal
(head priest) of Badrikaashram considered himself to be the
Shankaracharya. Who is to say? Certainly not a committee of pundits
down in Kashi!
With all due respect, you're full of it. The Bharata Dharma
Mahamandala, Kashi Vidvat Parishad, and the Akhila Bharatiya
Dharmasangha were all present at the installation of Guru Dev's
successor, Shree Swami Shantanand Saraswati. According to The Time of
India, Shantanand was installed with all due pomp and ceremony.
Apparently, Shantanand meditated for over an hour in a public
reception. Subsequently, Shantanand was present at a number of TMO
activities, the least not being the Saints Course at Ram Nagar, the
ground-breaking of Shankaracharya Nagar at Rishikesh, and at the
Maharishi Guru Poornima at Noida held in 1990.
According to Kropinsky, Shantanand was present at the bithday
celebration of Guru Dev at Vrindavan, which you cited. It is a fact
that Swami Shantanada Saraswati and his successors fully approved of
the Mahesh Yogi and the TM meditation program.
If you think that meditation is not supported by the Dasanami
Sampradya founded by the Adi Shankara, you are mistaken.
Your claim is false and is totally without merit. According to the Adi
Shankara, in his sub-commentary on Veda Vyasa's Vivarana on
Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, meditation is described as the cessation of
the flutuations of the mental processes - specificaly, the meditation
on the Pranava, with instructions to meditate on it, and to reflect on
it's meaning. A clear, concise, incontrovertible and unassailable
reference to the TM program as taught by the Mahesh Yogi.
FYI: "Adi Sankaracharya (8th century) is traditionally said to have
established four mathas (monasteries) in India, and to have placed
them under the leadership of his four chief disciples. The heads of
these four and other monasteries of the Dasanami orders have come to
be known as Sankaracharyas themselves, in honor of the founder. They
are considered to be the leaders of the ten orders of the Dasanami
Sannyasins associated with Advaita Vedanta." - Vidyasankar Sundaresan
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have responded to each and every
one of your slanderous accustaions - including your bald-faced lie
that the Maharishi murdered Guru Dev, in a conspiracy with the ashram
cook, by posioning Guru Dev's food, while the cook was at Jyotirmath
and Guru Dev was down in Calcutta. Go figure.
Once again, I have responded to your false claims and accusations,
Namaste' and Jai Guru Dev!