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willytex
2003-08-28 04:46:06 UTC
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According to Jay Latham, all TM teachers are required
to sign a pledge to keep the teacher training confidential.
http://tinyurl.com/lfql

From: John Manning (***@terra.com.br)
Subject: Re: Promise..defined.
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 2003-02-19 18:37:11 PST

No TM initiate (and I've taught about 5000) was ever asked
by me to *promise* not to reveal their mantra.

I was trained directly by Maharishi to encourage initiates to
not speak the mantra out loud because it might weaken its
effectiveness.

There was NEVER any promise required from initiates to
not reveal their mantras that was taught to me from
Maharishi in the instructions that he gave us at Estes Park,
CO where he made me a TM teacher.

That may be what the current TMO professes. But it is not
what Maharishi taught me. And that kind of false, inaccurate
and offensive authoritarian attitude is likely to be a great part
of its (the TMO's) demise.

John Manning

From: John Manning (***@terra.com.br)
Subject: Re: Shrim or Shirim?
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 2003-02-19 16:10:20 PST

Dear Phyllis, since you have already shared your mantra here, the
correct pronunciation is shear, like shearing a sheep - and im, like
'rim' the rim of a wheel; "shearim" Maharishi wrote it down for me as
follows: SHIRIM

But please keep your mantra to yourself. Whether it's true or not, I was
told that speaking your mantra out loud has a tendency to weaken it. A
couple of meditations, however, will certainly make it OK when you go
deep inside again.

Please ignore any negative comments here about this.

I am a TM teacher that was directly trained by Maharishi. You'll be
fine. And remember that the mantra can change during meditation. It can
stretch out or emphasize one syllable or the other. And if the mantra
tends to fade, we allow it to fade. Of course, if the mantra changes
into a different word altogether, we very gently and effortlessly return
to the original word sound. It might be good if you have your meditation
checked by a qualified teacher. But from what you've written, you really
seem to be doing well.

You can email me privately if you have any further questions or doubts
at: ***@terra.com.br
I will be happy to assist you.

Best wishes,
John Manning
Uncle Tantra
2003-08-28 09:36:30 UTC
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Post by willytex
According to Jay Latham, all TM teachers are required
to sign a pledge to keep the teacher training confidential.
As has been stated here several times,
that may be a policy adopted *after* a
certain date, but it was certainly not true
in 1972 and before.
BillyG.
2003-08-28 14:19:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Uncle Tantra
Post by willytex
According to Jay Latham, all TM teachers are required
to sign a pledge to keep the teacher training confidential.
As has been stated here several times,
that may be a policy adopted *after* a
certain date, but it was certainly not true
in 1972 and before.
True, no signiture was required in Fuiggi, however a *verbal pledge* was
administered by Jerry Jarvis in the Fuiggi Fonte theatre, I remember taking
it!
John Manning
2003-08-28 15:14:15 UTC
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Post by BillyG.
Post by Uncle Tantra
Post by willytex
According to Jay Latham, all TM teachers are required
to sign a pledge to keep the teacher training confidential.
As has been stated here several times,
that may be a policy adopted *after* a
certain date, but it was certainly not true
in 1972 and before.
True, no signiture was required in Fuiggi, however a *verbal pledge* was
administered by Jerry Jarvis in the Fuiggi Fonte theatre, I remember taking
it!
There was no "pledge", written or verbal,
at Estes Park 1971.
willytex
2003-08-28 17:15:50 UTC
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Post by willytex
According to Jay Latham, all TM teachers are required
to sign a pledge to keep the teacher training confidential.
There was no "pledge", written or verbal, at Estes Park 1971.
Mr Manning - You are lying through your teeth. I'm not a TM teacher, but
the Maharishi himself, Jerry Jarvis AND Charles Lutes all told me that
it was counterproductive to reveal the exact TM technique or to discuss
the TM mantras. Apparently, it's written in the checking notes, too.

It's obvious you didn't agree to the pledge. Anyone who reads this list
knows by now that you broke your vow to Guru Dev when you published my
TM mantra on the Internet and made light of my TM practice, not to
mention the numerous ethnic slurs against Mr Varma and your hateful
remarks concerning Mr Jarvis.

It has been stated here on numerous occasions, by several TMers, one a
Governor, that it is a really bad idea to reveal the mechnics of the TM
technique outside the teaching environment.

You are obviously off the program, Sir.

Apparently, you are a fraud as well, still attempting to pass yourself
off as a TM teacher, by giving advise on mantra pronuciation over the
Internet.

You are obviously in a deep state of denial.

Can you cite one single reference to back up your claim concerning the
pledge, that is, excluding that other impostor, Mr Wright?

According to Jay Latham, all TM teachers are required
to sign a pledge to keep the teacher training confidential.
http://tinyurl.com/lfql

From: John Manning (***@terra.com.br)
Subject: Re: Promise..defined.
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 2003-02-19 18:37:11 PST

No TM initiate (and I've taught about 5000) was ever asked
by me to *promise* not to reveal their mantra.

I was trained directly by Maharishi to encourage initiates to
not speak the mantra out loud because it might weaken its
effectiveness.

There was NEVER any promise required from initiates to
not reveal their mantras that was taught to me from
Maharishi in the instructions that he gave us at Estes Park,
CO where he made me a TM teacher.

That may be what the current TMO professes. But it is not
what Maharishi taught me. And that kind of false, inaccurate
and offensive authoritarian attitude is likely to be a great part
of its (the TMO's) demise.

John Manning

From: John Manning (***@terra.com.br)
Subject: Re: Shrim or Shirim?
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 2003-02-19 16:10:20 PST

Dear Phyllis, since you have already shared your mantra here, the
correct pronunciation is shear, like shearing a sheep - and im, like
'rim' the rim of a wheel; "shearim" Maharishi wrote it down for me as
follows: SHIRIM

But please keep your mantra to yourself. Whether it's true or not, I was
told that speaking your mantra out loud has a tendency to weaken it. A
couple of meditations, however, will certainly make it OK when you go
deep inside again.

Please ignore any negative comments here about this.

I am a TM teacher that was directly trained by Maharishi. You'll be
fine. And remember that the mantra can change during meditation. It can
stretch out or emphasize one syllable or the other. And if the mantra
tends to fade, we allow it to fade. Of course, if the mantra changes
into a different word altogether, we very gently and effortlessly return
to the original word sound. It might be good if you have your meditation
checked by a qualified teacher. But from what you've written, you really
seem to be doing well.

You can email me privately if you have any further questions or doubts
at: ***@terra.com.br

I will be happy to assist you.

Best wishes,
John Manning
John Manning
2003-08-28 17:22:38 UTC
Permalink
WillyTex is a troll.

He's been called on it at
alt.meditation.transcendental by me and
others. Since I also post here on
alt.religion.mormon, WillyTex wishes to
expand his trolling capabilities to somehow
vindicate himself by attempting to
discredit one of his critics.

Here's some recent commentary on this guy
from alt.meditation.transcendental:


These are the words of Bob Brigante, a
fully creditable practitioner and supporter
of TM and webmaster of http://mumbull.org
describing his view of the local clown
Willytex:

BOB BRIGANTE:

"The trouble with relying on a drug-addled
clown like Willytex for one's meditation
instruction is that this approach is as
full of holes as Tex's brain after a
lifetime of drug use (for people new to
this list, Willytex regularly sings the
praises of recreational drugs)."

WILLYTEX praises drugs (in his own words):

“... nothing can compare with the
psylocibin I ingested down in Mexico with
Don Juan back in ‘71! That’s when I
realized the inter-dependnce of all things;
I saw and talked to God and His wife and
His Son, and I realized that creation is a
family affair; I got enlightened on the
spot at the exact center of the universe.
Now I don’t need scriptures, gurus, drugs,
meditation, sleep, or even feedback
anymore, because I’m solo auditing,
constantly, and in communication with the
Demi-urge on a daily basis."

Here's another example of Willytex praising
drug use:

WILLYTEX:

"I think most, if not all, of the Vedas
were composed while under the influence of
the psychoactive substance, the fly
agaric, just like it says in the Rig Veda.
It seems apparent to me that the
majority of the Upanishads were composed
while under the influence of hemp.

In addition, I fully agree with John M.
Allegro, one of the translators of
the Dead Sea Scrolls, that the fly agaric
was the substance used in order to
compose most, if not all, of the Old and
New Testament. Apparently, parts of
the Appendix, such as the Gospel According
to John was composed by its
author while under the influence of
fermented grape juice. The Book of
Revelations was obviously composed while
under the influence of a
psychedelic because it even says so: John
swallowed a square blotter paper
laced with LSD, which as you probably know,
is an ergot found in old bread
and synthesized by Hoffman in 1959.

No less an exalted hero than the Lord Shiva
himself smoked the Cannibus Indica, just
like millions of holy men, sadhus, and
fakirs do today throughout India and the
Middle East. The entire Zend Avesta of the
Persian religion was composed while under
the influence of 'Hoama' i.e. the 'Soma'
of the Rig Veda. There is no reason to
assume that the use of psychoactive
substances is a recent trend in India!"



Here's a comment on Willytex from Judy
Stein, an astute, fully knowledgeable
practitioner and supporter of TM (over 30
years experience) and a regular poster on
alt.meditation.transcendental:

JUDY STEIN:

"Willytex is a troll. He didn't used to
be, but he's turned into one in the past
year. Most of us just ignore him now."


Since Willytex has recently started
crossposting, here's a recent reply from a
poster on alt.religion.mormon to Willytex's
defense of LYING:

WILLYTEX:

"And, which lie are you referring to? Yours
or mine? Everyone lies in normal
conversation. You claimed insider TRUTH
knowledge - where is the lie in that, Sir?
You just don't get it do you?"

CLOVIS LARK responds:

"I don't lie. I may make errors, but i do
not lie. that you think it is
the norm speaks a lot about you."
---

John Manning
greg randall
2003-09-03 12:44:59 UTC
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"John Manning" <***@terra.com.br> wrote in message news:bildph$atbp8$***@ID-153614.news.uni-berlin.de...
WillyTex is a troll. <snip>
vindicate himself by attempting to
discredit one of his critics.


Hmmmm So is he a troll who you have an On going debate with ? I would class
that more than Troll activity, more like a personal difference of opinion
re TM that is spewing over to this News groups.

Or are you stetching the "Troll" agenda John and labeling a regular poster
re TM as a TROLL ?t to avoid a total overflow ? of TM debate to this site ?

YOU have allways voiced your personal oppinion here John to the point of
discrediting even those with a leftest view that lean towards your social
ideals but that were not exactly socialists that fit your mold of
acceptance.

Are you in damage contriol mode John ?

Is Willitex more than a once in blue moon troll poster ? or is there an on
going fude which is outside that which can be called trolll activity.

Willitex are you really a Troll ?

VERY Interested Considering the Ammount of manning posts to trhis site.

Greg





Greg
Post by John Manning
WillyTex is a troll.
He's been called on it at
alt.meditation.transcendental by me and
others. Since I also post here on
alt.religion.mormon, WillyTex wishes to
expand his trolling capabilities to somehow
vindicate himself by attempting to
discredit one of his critics.
Here's some recent commentary on this guy
These are the words of Bob Brigante, a
fully creditable practitioner and supporter
of TM and webmaster of http://mumbull.org
describing his view of the local clown
"The trouble with relying on a drug-addled
clown like Willytex for one's meditation
instruction is that this approach is as
full of holes as Tex's brain after a
lifetime of drug use (for people new to
this list, Willytex regularly sings the
praises of recreational drugs)."
“... nothing can compare with the
psylocibin I ingested down in Mexico with
Don Juan back in ‘71! That’s when I
realized the inter-dependnce of all things;
I saw and talked to God and His wife and
His Son, and I realized that creation is a
family affair; I got enlightened on the
spot at the exact center of the universe.
Now I don’t need scriptures, gurus, drugs,
meditation, sleep, or even feedback
anymore, because I’m solo auditing,
constantly, and in communication with the
Demi-urge on a daily basis."
Here's another example of Willytex praising
"I think most, if not all, of the Vedas
were composed while under the influence of
the psychoactive substance, the fly
agaric, just like it says in the Rig Veda.
It seems apparent to me that the
majority of the Upanishads were composed
while under the influence of hemp.
In addition, I fully agree with John M.
Allegro, one of the translators of
the Dead Sea Scrolls, that the fly agaric
was the substance used in order to
compose most, if not all, of the Old and
New Testament. Apparently, parts of
the Appendix, such as the Gospel According
to John was composed by its
author while under the influence of
fermented grape juice. The Book of
Revelations was obviously composed while
under the influence of a
psychedelic because it even says so: John
swallowed a square blotter paper
laced with LSD, which as you probably know,
is an ergot found in old bread
and synthesized by Hoffman in 1959.
No less an exalted hero than the Lord Shiva
himself smoked the Cannibus Indica, just
like millions of holy men, sadhus, and
fakirs do today throughout India and the
Middle East. The entire Zend Avesta of the
Persian religion was composed while under
the influence of 'Hoama' i.e. the 'Soma'
of the Rig Veda. There is no reason to
assume that the use of psychoactive
substances is a recent trend in India!"
Here's a comment on Willytex from Judy
Stein, an astute, fully knowledgeable
practitioner and supporter of TM (over 30
years experience) and a regular poster on
"Willytex is a troll. He didn't used to
be, but he's turned into one in the past
year. Most of us just ignore him now."
Since Willytex has recently started
crossposting, here's a recent reply from a
poster on alt.religion.mormon to Willytex's
"And, which lie are you referring to? Yours
or mine? Everyone lies in normal
conversation. You claimed insider TRUTH
knowledge - where is the lie in that, Sir?
You just don't get it do you?"
"I don't lie. I may make errors, but i do
not lie. that you think it is
the norm speaks a lot about you."
---
John Manning
willytex
2003-08-28 17:21:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Uncle Tantra
Post by willytex
According to Jay Latham, all TM teachers are required
to sign a pledge to keep the teacher training confidential.
As has been stated here several times,
that may be a policy adopted *after* a
certain date, but it was certainly not true
in 1972 and before.
Shoki - You were the guy that, for 14 years, passed out all those SIMS
leaflets promising "enlightenment in 5-7 years", right?

Why should anyone believe anything you say now?

If you knew then, that enlightenment in 5-7 years was a lie, why did you
then pass out leaflets for Lentz, for another 14 years, promising
"instand enlightenment"?

Go figure.
Pat
2003-08-28 19:27:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by willytex
Post by Uncle Tantra
Post by willytex
According to Jay Latham, all TM teachers are required
to sign a pledge to keep the teacher training confidential.
As has been stated here several times,
that may be a policy adopted *after* a
certain date, but it was certainly not true
in 1972 and before.
Shoki - You were the guy that, for 14 years, passed out all those SIMS
leaflets promising "enlightenment in 5-7 years", right?
Why should anyone believe anything you say now?
If you knew then, that enlightenment in 5-7 years was a lie, why did you
then pass out leaflets for Lentz, for another 14 years, promising
"instand enlightenment"?
Go figure.
'Cos he was brainwashed Willy; he is just as much a victim as the people he
passed the leaflets to.
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